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_axiom
The Wall
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:50 am Posts: 16163 Location: Croatia
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
Well if you and other non-Algrens posted more... Maybe he wouldn't be so noticeable.
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:36 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
Libs hasn't posted much in months or even over the last few years, if we're being honest. Mostly just the TV ratings and an occasional 15-word mini-review of a movie.
Algren adds spice to the forum. He keeps this forum alive more than anyone else. If you despise him and/or vehemently disagree with him, tell him. Get into it. Have a debate. It is going to be disastrous for this forum if he is banned to appease people who only occasionally pop in to say, "Oh, nice, this weather we're having."
_________________1. The Lost City of Z - 2. A Cure for Wellness - 3. Phantom Thread - 4. T2 Trainspotting - 5. Detroit - 6. Good Time - 7. The Beguiled - 8. The Florida Project - 9. Logan and 10. Molly's Game
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:53 pm |
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publicenemy#1
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:25 am Posts: 18878 Location: San Diego
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
Libs wrote: I'm out too. A forum where I can't even see 90% of the posts because they're coming from a degenerate sack of shit loser like Algren is not where I want to be anymore. Algren, you are the single worst person I have ever engaged with online. You have zero redeeming qualities. You're not funny, you're not witty, and you're not interesting. You're a disgrace. You have successfully managed to chase away the last remaining active female poster. Goodbye, dick! To the rest of y'all: Please don't bother asking me to reconsider. It's time to move on. I've truly enjoyed chatting with the rest of you over the years. Stay awesome! gonna miss having you be the one I share similar grades to films most of the time lol. It's kinda crazy how long some of us have "known" each other from BOM and such. With that said stay safe.
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:56 am |
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_axiom
The Wall
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:50 am Posts: 16163 Location: Croatia
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
David wrote: Libs hasn't posted much in months or even over the last few years, if we're being honest. Mostly just the TV ratings and an occasional 15-word mini-review of a movie.
Algren adds spice to the forum. He keeps this forum alive more than anyone else. If you despise him and/or vehemently disagree with him, tell him. Get into it. Have a debate. It is going to be disastrous for this forum if he is banned to appease people who only occasionally pop in to say, "Oh, nice, this weather we're having." I'd rather be without spice which is 99% trollbaiting or pointless/useless/non-constructive remarks.
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:35 am |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 67043
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
_axiom wrote: I'd rather be without spice which is 99% trollbaiting or pointless/useless/non-constructive remarks. That sounds like Chippy or, actually, you... _axiom wrote: tree and a half wrote: _axiom wrote: Jack Sparrow wrote: When Moby Dick shows the film shines rest is just noise. Moby Dick is not in this movie. Of course it's Moby Dick, that's the premise of the movie - the whale that inspired Melville to write his classic novel of the same name. The only white whale named Moby Dick is in Melville's novel of the same name and its adaptations. As this is not an adaptation of the novel, the white whale appearing here is not named Moby Dick. Was this whale an inspiration to Melville? Yes. And that's the point of the movie. But the name is Melville's own thing.
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:55 am |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 21890 Location: Places
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
The mods/new owners failure to handle the trolls is looking the sites downfall.
_________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:22 am |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 67043
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
No TV ratings threads from now is hardly considered a "downfall". And Chippy said he wouldn't post anymore, which takes care of the troll issue.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:17 am |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 21890 Location: Places
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
KJ is nothing more than the collection of its posters. You drive them away in droves. You are a cancer and nothing more to a site we have all enjoyed for over a decade. Enough is enough,
_________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:54 am |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 67043
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
If the "collection of posters" showed that they did not want me, I wouldn't be here. But I am also part of this community, so fuck you at your attempt to ostracize me, and fuck you at your attempt to lump all the blame of this slowly diminishing forum on me. You contribute fuck all to this forum besides outlandish predictions for DC films. Libs contributed fuck all of interest to this forum besides a TV ratings thread every day that sparked zero discussion until I highlighted that very fact. And Chippy is a troll and KJ should be thankful of the reprieve. Some of the big posters like Dr. Lecter, Loyal, xiayun, and bABA have stopped posting, and this is nothing to do with me. Maybe if they were back, the forum would not feel so dead. Then there are others such as matatonio, Magnus, Mister Ecks, Thegun etc. that were all very active before have seriously reduced their posting in recent months/years. Forums have member turnover. It happens. People get older. They move on with their lives. The same names cannot stay around forever. Instead of looking for a scapegoat, get off your ass and recruit new members.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:31 pm |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 21890 Location: Places
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
No one is thankful for Libs, Chippy, or any of the aforementioned posters retrieve, least of all yourself who will have to find new posters to terrorize. They're generally a positive presence which, for normal people, is what attracts newcomers and fuels growth.
You note many unavoidable problems that affect any community of people. However, your treatment of other posters is absolutely avoidable and should not be happening. Your ceaseless negativity and hostility towards others alienates them and makes them far less likely to post. Very simple and straight forward. This is the response that your shit behavior illicits from others. No way around it.
Before we do any "recruiting" or invest in means of growing the site, the current problems - namely, yourself and a handful of others - would need to be cleaned up/removed. Forums such as BoxOfficeTheory do not put up with childish behavior, and not surprisingly they have much higher traffic. Sadly, KJ and its dozen regulars have more trolls than BOT and its hundreds of regular posters because over there it's not allowed. KJ accepts and tolerates the very personalities which killed many Internet forums. Posters like you make them feel welcome and drive the good posters away.
A posters right to post without dealing with your bullshit is more important than your right to be asshole when you feel like it, but sadly that hasn't been the rule around here for a long time. And now you are getting supremely defensive for having the ultra-obvious pointed to you, after years of unashamed participation in th aforementioned poor behavior? Child, please. We all know that once posters like you have driven all the good posters away from here, you will abandon KJ too and have to a find new forum where there are still sane posters for you to troll and annoy for fun.
It's ridiculous and sad. The "fuck you"s should be reserved you and your friends who have totally killed th buzz of a place we all used to enjoy for learning and discussion of our niche, not so common interest of films financial performance.
Curious to see you have any sort of response beyond the normal meaningless, childish, usually off base insults.
_________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:43 pm |
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_axiom
The Wall
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:50 am Posts: 16163 Location: Croatia
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
Algren wrote: Libs contributed fuck all of interest to this forum besides a TV ratings thread every day that sparked zero discussion until I highlighted that very fact. Well if you actually bothered to check you would see that summer ratings (from mid-May to mid-September) have been wastelands for comments for years now, but there is always chat (sometimes small, sometimes big) during the "real" TV season. You just went in and posted completely unsubstantiated personal opinion as some kind of a fact (like you usually so) and got replies from people saying they check the threads. You got disproved, but yet again you still claim Libs didn't contribute anything to the forum and that you "were right". LOL.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:02 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
If Algren is banned, it will not have the desired effect (this imagined return to World of KJ circa 2004/5...which fell apart, too, amid its own series of dramas and incriminations). There will just be even less content and conversation here.
People have this idea there are...what? Hundreds of people waiting at the gate to join once the dastardly Algren is gone? This forum is on a downward slide. It crashes a lot. It is never spruced up or redesigned. And those imaginary people will still run right into such members as _axiom and Chippy (imagine if they are right-of-center in their politics!).
Are there truly positive members here? Yes. I would cite, say, Corpse. Entirely pleasant. Has a niche-but-potent interest in certain cinematic spheres. Informative if you are interested in Asian box office. And maybe a forum of Corpses and thompsoncorys would be awesome and relaxing, but you are never going to get there, no matter how much you try to police thought or ostracize certain members.
_________________1. The Lost City of Z - 2. A Cure for Wellness - 3. Phantom Thread - 4. T2 Trainspotting - 5. Detroit - 6. Good Time - 7. The Beguiled - 8. The Florida Project - 9. Logan and 10. Molly's Game
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:14 pm |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 21890 Location: Places
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
As I have said numerous times, I entirely disagree. KJ existed well before Box Office Theory, which is extremely busy and adding dozens of members a week. KJ existed before Boxoffice.com was anything. We have a dozen members more knowledgeable than Shawn Robbins (no offense), but there was never a sustained effort to channel this intelligence into a way which creates any sort of value. I am not saying all these people would come flying back, but the drop would be slowed while more zwackerms would arise.
Instead of building KJ into a brand using already active members, there was diddly squat for content resulting in members like Xaiyun and Jmovies left to start their own sites. There's no reason Lecter, X, Magnus, and a few others aren't in Shawn Robbins place now reaping the benefits other than the total lack of real vision and will to execute whatever vision there was. Mojo' epic demise in 2015 when Subers left created an obvious void (not that Subers was so good) that has largely been filled by Pro who absolutely should have been KJ.
Had KJ been correctly maintained over the last decade, I know for sure it would a legitimate box office source in the web and some folks here may have been able to parlay that into bigger, more profitable ventures. Instead, nobody was given a platform and nothing was pushed.
The amount of true insight, knowledge and analysis buried within all the pages of KJ is unreal. Some of these folks could mount a very convincing case for studio work based solely on content found here. It would a shame for this place to close or expire. But folks like Algren do not help whatsoever. They are the problem.
_________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:54 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
You have pushed this quasi-utopian idea before, of KJ having the potential to be a major Web site, a well-known source for box-office analysis, etc., etc. It is never going to materialize. If there ever was a time for this (big if), it has long since passed.
_________________1. The Lost City of Z - 2. A Cure for Wellness - 3. Phantom Thread - 4. T2 Trainspotting - 5. Detroit - 6. Good Time - 7. The Beguiled - 8. The Florida Project - 9. Logan and 10. Molly's Game
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:07 pm |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 21890 Location: Places
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=82904&p=2177331#p2177331This is what I was referring to. Cringeworthy.
_________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:18 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
He honestly just posed a question (and was told he has his head in his ass for doing so). Sure, with a bit of underlying implied snark, but hardly the end of the world.
_________________1. The Lost City of Z - 2. A Cure for Wellness - 3. Phantom Thread - 4. T2 Trainspotting - 5. Detroit - 6. Good Time - 7. The Beguiled - 8. The Florida Project - 9. Logan and 10. Molly's Game
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:41 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
This-- viewtopic.php?f=10&t=82946 --will seem far worse to new eyes than Algren wondering why Libs posts the television ratings every day. Ban FILMO, right?
_________________1. The Lost City of Z - 2. A Cure for Wellness - 3. Phantom Thread - 4. T2 Trainspotting - 5. Detroit - 6. Good Time - 7. The Beguiled - 8. The Florida Project - 9. Logan and 10. Molly's Game
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:42 pm |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 21890 Location: Places
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
David wrote: He honestly just posed a question (and was told he has his head in his ass for doing so). Sure, with a bit of underlying implied snark, but hardly the end of the world. Enough feigned ignorance. Algren has harassed Libs for years, along with many other posters. He would be a legit he real world given his behavior on here. It borders on creepy.
_________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:03 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
Your remark is nonsensical.
_________________1. The Lost City of Z - 2. A Cure for Wellness - 3. Phantom Thread - 4. T2 Trainspotting - 5. Detroit - 6. Good Time - 7. The Beguiled - 8. The Florida Project - 9. Logan and 10. Molly's Game
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:15 pm |
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 20346 Location: Where they shot Knock at the Cabin
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
I am not a large fan of Chippy (don't hate him, he is just the ideological opposite of me) so I can't say I'm not a little pleased he won't be posting much for a while. But Libs was always kind.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:34 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
Chippy has no ideology. He has postures. He learns them on Twitter.
_________________1. The Lost City of Z - 2. A Cure for Wellness - 3. Phantom Thread - 4. T2 Trainspotting - 5. Detroit - 6. Good Time - 7. The Beguiled - 8. The Florida Project - 9. Logan and 10. Molly's Game
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:44 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 38007
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
If the owners feel Algren has crossed a line enough to be banned so be it, but I don't buy excel's theory about it hurting KJ's chance to grow. When KJ was at its most popular it had plenty of troll types like Maverikk, Joe, Argos and Guybrush, BKB, snack, and it didn't slow things down. The problem isn't that users come here and then are turned off by the negativity, it's that new users don't come here in the first place
_________________Shack’s top 50 tv shows - viewtopic.php?f=8&t=90227
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:59 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
World of KJ is a dive bar. It is in an industrial part of town. The paint on the walls is crumbling, and gentrification is encroaching. A mediocre watering hole with a few loyal patrons. Forbidding salty old son-of-a-bitch Bob from coming in is not going to bring in a hot, young, vital crowd. It is just going to be one less ass on a seat on a chilly, lonely Thursday night.
_________________1. The Lost City of Z - 2. A Cure for Wellness - 3. Phantom Thread - 4. T2 Trainspotting - 5. Detroit - 6. Good Time - 7. The Beguiled - 8. The Florida Project - 9. Logan and 10. Molly's Game
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:35 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 38007
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
_________________Shack’s top 50 tv shows - viewtopic.php?f=8&t=90227
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:52 pm |
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Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
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Re: Bye WoKJ!
I joined this site when I was 21 and in college. I am 33 and will be 34 shortly. The site is dying a slow death due to careers, families, lives, etc. If anyone thinks it is even primarily due to one poster, they are sorely mistaken.
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Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:35 am |
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