Personally, I think this sick fuck deserves anything that happens to him in prison. I hope someone takes advantage of him, like he did those poor boys.
I dont think they should give him the death penalty...but he should be put in solitary confinment...for the rest of his life. only allowed to come out to piss and shit.

I agree, but also I find this more sad than anything that the Roman Catholic Church insists on Priests remaining Celibate and if they would simply alter that rule and allow these Guys to Marry or be with a Woman, we wouldn't have this problem.. Christ, being Celibate has to be one of the hardest things in the World to do and I can't imagine that this is how God wanted this to be.. I think the Pope should consider this cause it's making the Catholic Church look bad and I attend a Catholic Church every Sunday now since the beginning of the New Year as one of my New Year Resolutions..

^^^^^BKB in all honesty celibacy or allowing them to marry women would not solve the problem for child molestation. Most people who molest kids are....you guess it


WHITE
HETEROSEXUAL
MARRIED MEN

Its not because their not getting any action from their "women"...its because their sick individuals who should be chemically casterated

Well, I think allowing marriage would help the problem. I don't think these priests went out searching for boys to have sex with, it's just that they were around them a lot. You don't hear about it happening anymore nowadays, but back when it did, they were around altar boys every Sunday and Saturday during Mass. But you're right that it probably wouldn't solve the problem in full. It's only a very small percentage of priests who have done it, so it's not like they all have. That's one of the reasons I think it wouldn't help all together. Either way, there's no excuse for it.

I think thats a bit naive. Quite naive. While it doesn't say that it can bring a 100% stop to molestations, I can certainly see it cutting down the problem. Dude its not just about celibacy. Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't even masturbate or something right? Imagine living a life like that.

Im sick and fed up of the catholic church as a whole being accused of being full of child molesters - when infact, there are only actually an isolated few - a problem that direly needs to be adressed but is nowhere near as farspread as the poisonous media has everyone thinking.

I bet theres a good few molesting rabbis, and ministers too. But they aren't being publically labelled as child molestors because the focus is to hate on the Catholic Church for it.

I just hope the new church will bring around some changes


Btw did anyone read about the Fatima prophecies, that this pope would be the 3rd last one. And the final one would take a stand against the anti-christ, ultimately failing as the world falls into chaos if we do not pray sincerely for repentance of our sins?

Kind of scary, i sin ALOT

First of all, I think the title of this thread should be changed. A serious topic deserves a serious title.

Anyways, as to your comments, there is more problems with the Catholic church probably than others, but this is situational. Furthermore, the reason the Catholic Church gets condemned, vs. other religions, is that it has a larger infrastructure that can be held responsible. The most outrage is coming from the fact that they systematically do not de-frock these men and instead assist them in relocating and starting anew, and then refuse to hand over any past archival material relevant to the situation if the priests are ever called before court, etc. Few institutions are that centralized or have that much power. I do think, like bABA said, that marriage would be somethingt that helps. I don't think you can wittle these things down to chemical reactions LMR. That's the same silly arguement that every depressed housewife in the 50's used for pill-popping instead of realizing there were systemic problems with the lifestyle. Its cultural, and the denial of any sexuality in doctrine is part of the problem. bABA is right when he asks mentioned what is permissable in Catholicism is very limited if non-existant. I think at one point sex was considered so bad that Gregory had to redefine it and say it was ok as long as it was strictly for reproduction and not fun, otherwise Catholics wouldn't be able to procreate and flourish.

I remember after Boston there was actually discussions about allowing priests to marry. Many people argued that it was time to stop denying the fact that if one could seriously live a completely sex-less life, power to them, but the rest of 'em, including most of the priests aren't like that. And I simply mean that many of them would love to lead religious lives and love their occupation, but having decades of denying any sexual experience to a normal person who is just deeply religious is, well, not normal. I'm going to argue with you Michael that this problem does not run deep in other religions because no other religions deny marriage to their religious leaders as a pre-requisite for becoming those relifious leaders.

^^^Why should the title be changed??


Anways


@Chris and baba


Having priests be able to masterbate, or get it on with a wife is not going to really help the fact that they still want young boys. Like I said before...look at research, statistics...most molesters are white MARRIED men. Most child molesters are not your average creepy looking guy hanging out at the subway after hours



Whats your point michel? The priests that have done this are awful and disgusting and I think its good that they are publicaly humiliatated...they abused their power and they deserve any and all shame they get.
If it were any other church I would feel the same way

married white males dont matter. Thats not even the point here. And what stats are you going by? In other countries, you dont even have white people. Yet those countries have priests too. Did you take them into account?

You are born with the intent of wanting to sexually molest a kid. There are factors that lead you to it. Complete lack of sexual activity is one. It will not eliminate such occurances but I can tell you that the amount of sexual frustration these men might feel will be far less.

example: You could be a cheat by nature. But what about all those men and women who once in a while ended up making that mistake? Why do they do it? because factors combine together and cause it to occur. Theres no justification for what they do but chances are, those men and women would never have done what they did if those conditions didn't exist.

Also the average white male is a very broad generalization. You may be married and white but that in no way connects them in any way? Could you provide me these stats based upon professions? Why is it that priests turn out like this? Because media focusses on them and secondly, there must be something about their job causing this type of an intention to exist in them.

I think Michael makes a very valid point. The media focuses only on priests, not on ministers, rabbis. And I'm not condoning anything, it's just that it irritates me when the church as a whole is brought down by a few isolated cases. I'm not sure why they choose to point out these cases and none from other church's, but I don't see anything. Does anyone else notice cases on the news? I haven't seen any.

Also @ bABA, I don't think priests are forbidden to masturbate, but I'm not sure. I think the church in general looks at it as a sin, so maybe they aren't allowed. That doesn't mean none do, because they need some way to release that tension, and if they're not allowed to have sex, then what else is there?

yup .. thats why i said i wasn't sure about it. And well, if they do the stuff with the boys, who knows what they do in bed. Still, I've seen 20 year old virgin boys ready to explode all over women.

I'm pretty sure priests aren't allowed to masturbate. But, this is a non-starter. Masturbating can be done in private without anyone knowing.

Your wrong....I have been studying child molestation and social work for over three years now. Allowing a priest to have sex, or have a wife will not elimate their SICK desire to molest children....boys mostly.
The fact that I said most are white males....thats just how it is...at least in the United States. I said that in relation to the "well if they let priests get married then molestaion will subdue" When in fact, that statement could not be more wrong.
Pedophiles pry on children and always will regardless if they have a wife at home. Most know it is wrong, so I have no sympathy for them...however I do have sympathy for some.


Also
Priest are not "allowed" to masterbate...it is considered a mortal sin by the catholic church

lovemerox. your own statements pretty much sum up my point. WHY IS IT that its the priests doing this shit? How come its so random in everything else?

What do you mean by "random in everything else?"

why is it a priest all the time. Why not tennis players, accountants and what not. Why is there this frequency amongst priests?

Well its not a priest all the time...there are plenty of "normal" citizens that molest children...they are represented but not as much as the priests.

I think the reason priests are so high profile is
1) Priests are seen as holy holy men...people look up to them, so when something like this occurs its like "OMG WTF"?
2) Scandels like this happend back in the 60's, so I suppose thats another reason its so high profile
3)Priests are supposed be trust worthy individuals...they abused their power, took advanatage of little boys....etc///


I really think its all about the status of priest....

I mean whats more "OMG" The president getting a blowjob in the oval office....or some guy who works at sears getting a blowjob in the break room

yet presidents in general aren't looked upon as child molesters . thats the difference.

anyhoo, i've said all i had to say really ... if you sitll dont htink a life of complete abstinence has no relevance here at all, theres not more i can do here.

Honestly, I don't see how there is anyway someone can say a life of strict abstinence doesn't play a large role in this problem.

making someone abstain from something always causes atleast a desire for for it, if you remotely question or wonder about it.

Exactly. It's an extremely unfortunate practice, in my opinion.

A married pedophile wont stop making him act like a pedophile.The priest is a sick fuck,a pedophile,most pedophiles are married,It has nothing to do with celibecy.Thats an excuse,an excuse these pdophile priests use.

It really doesn't as much as it's made out to be.

Think of it this way: this abstinence thing works for the vast majority of them. I mean, the media makes it look like most priests are pedophiles, which is absolutely not the case. For the majority, abstinence works.

Anyways, aside from that, the bigger issue here is that these men are first and foremost pedophiles, and then priests.

What I mean by this is that they chose to go into priesthood because it gave them an opportunity to be in a position of authority while at the same time allowing them to be near their victims. The priesthood gives you a cover, an environment where you can take advantage, and where you can take advantage relatively easily.


For those who genuinly go into priesthood because they see it as a vocation, a thought like that is probably beyond their capacity to understand. This is not to say that this excuses how miserably the issue was dealt with. I find it inexcusable; no child should be abused, ever, and no pedophile should ever get away with it, or even be allowed to do it in the first place. It's just that the issue is not as black and white as the media wants it to be.

I agree.Good post Box.

While I agree with you box, i'll also say that to believe that it doesn't play the role when such occurances happen is turning a blind eye.