In the last 4 days, over 10 Americans have died, including 2 today. THings in Iraq are getting worse and worse, and I think if it keeps going on like this, Bush is going to lose.

It's been that way for about 6 months now; way to keep up with the news.

Im saying that more and more and more people are getting killed. Its getting alot worse, and I think people are going to begin to notice it.

Again, this is not more than it has been for the past 6 months. Things tend to get that way when the insurgency steps up the attacks.

Sadly war kills people. You gotta live with it.

But didnt we say the war was over. Also can this be called a war, as Iraq did not have an army?

That last thing you said is just wrong. Their army wasn't the best but there was an army.

they have an unorganized army or resistent armies...the war isnt over there still fighting but since we got our top player its not talked about as much

No, we said the military phase was over; there is still a large insurgency.

We claimed *victory* way back when in the *shock 'n awe (tm)* phase way back when. Not that the war was over. Its like reading the fine print on your credit card statement...it never, really, ends.

Exactly! War has taken place ever since the beginning of time...well it s close to that time period at the least

Considering in the olden days where thousands upon thousands were killed during wars, I think that 1000 deaths is a pretty good number to have. Now I'm not condonning the deaths I'm just saying it could be worse.

Yes this is a horrible thing. NOt only are our trrops dying for an unjust war, innocent civilans are dying as well.
Good goin Ole' W

Oh and Mr. Kerry who supported the war (or did he??? we'll never know) would have certainly done something else to prevent all this wouldn't he?!

*turns off the sarcasm*

I never expected it to be this bad, but I guess everyone just underestimated the fact that a bunch of terrorists/rebels can do more against the soldiers than the whole Iraqi army ever could.

These detainees are not necessarily Iraqi, but Bush has blended this all into one big fiasco, so I guess its best to make him deal with the his entire approach and programme now. At one point, I've always been aware that what goes on behind closed doors and also on the "battlefield" is ugly, but this is getting ridiculous.

I still say reparations are in call for by now. There is no way to exit successfully from the skein we've tangled...so we're going to have to settle for just bowing out quasi-gracefully.

Who's the prison guards who didn't seem to give their names? Who's NYT's sources for this story?

Prison guards that leak info aren't going to give their names because they'll be dis-honorably discharged and may also need to serve jail time and pay penalties. And people ask why so few military men "step out of line" when they see something wrong.

Here's some more info on Iraq:



Well, I keep saying this isn't combat between two official standing armies, and that I don't know how to handle it (I'm waiting to be pleasantly surprised by someone else's suggestions). While I'm sure "more people" is necessary, I'm not sure whom and in what way. I'd love to say U.N, U.N, U.N. But if we're just going to dress up international troops and have them do exactly what we're doing now, they're going to die, and there are going to be some really bitter nations out there.

I also know that I usually have my doubts with internal police, because it can often just lead to opening already huge rifts between peoples of the same country. This is probably still a better option, but in my mind I see how this can very easily degenerate into something like past scenarios with tribal police on reservations in the U.S. I guess I still embrace this second option the most, but realize we need to be v.e.r.y careful in how policemen are selected. Alot of very powerless people may give it a go just in order to finally feel like they can exert power over others, a lot of them may have really intense political motivations (Not the kind we'd like however) and, many could be exceptionally racist and/or classist. I really don't know how I feel about this, as I said before. It allows for a lot of the negative energy to be re-focussed internally, deflecting the heat from us even though we are for a large part responsible.

So maybe just more U.S. troops? And what about all the civilians that keep getting taken hostage? Should we not allow civilian entry? Or maybe decrease troop hostility by encouraging more civilians to help build infrastructure and provide knowledge?

-Dolce

Funny how the people over there dying in this war, are mostly poor kids, while ONE only ONE congresmen's child is ove in Iraq/. Seems a bit hypocritical in the sense that they want other people to do their dirty work.
I would love to see bush send his precious daughters over there.

I fuckin hate him so much

Have you no concept of what a contract is?

Have you no concept of what ignorance is?

Hey now. That's a bit unfair. Those kids shouldn't have thier life controlled by their parents just like anyone else. I don't think its fair to say those politicaians are fool of b.s. just because their kids *chose* not to go to the army. It would be a far more accurate evaluation to see how many of those congressman served themselves instead. even then I don't really want all my politicians making decisions necessarily based on thier own past experience. It doesn't bother me that much if they haven't been military men themselves. I'd actually prefer that they had PhDs and M.F.A's, and it definatley doesn't bother me if they didn't force their kids to go into the military just to prove some point about their own internal convictions.

should the socio-economic class that comprises most of military send off a warning in everyone's head about limited options for upward mobility and in what forms those are approached? Yes. But should the congressmen's kids be serving? No, not if they don't personally want to.

-Dolce

Sure, I do. I'm looking right at it.

You do realize that individuals sign up for the army? Parents don't choose to send there children into the millitary.

BTW, did Michael Moore ever say how many of the congressmen had children of millitary age?