I got sleep but it sucked

I think it's good that they're taking it slow. They gotta worm in there like... like a navy seal. Ya. They're gonna have to go and get their buddies who are behind enemy lines but they can't make it because they're not super spies yet. But they have a super spy in their fleet. They use him to go in and infiltrate the enemy to get their buddies and once they're retrieved they go back to the drawing board.

While it may be true that society obsesses about these things, I do believe that after a certain point, its minorities themselves that are what obstruct the continuation of taking away distinctions ... sure a Muslim has his Eid that he celebrates but those aren't the type of events I'm even talking about. I'm talking about minorities who choose to do everything AS a minority or who do not accept to add from outside the culture ..
You know what, I gotta run, maybe tonite, I'll have some time, I'll talk to you about this show I recently watched ... dont remember the name but it was one of those comedy shows catered to the black community.

I actually agree with you to a certain point, I jsut htink it is really a mature of balance. One wants to balance the culture they come from/or are apart of (whether it be due to their religious beliefs, sexual preferences, racial/ethnic group) with society at large.

To a certain though, I am not so sure all distinctions shoudl be taken away, because at that point you are left with a homegenous society where everything is the same.

Affirmative Action (I bring this up becuase I believe at some point you mentioned it) tends to be one of the bigges examples when people say minorites encourage racism, but that is an overly simplistic view of what Affirmative Action is actually doing. Yes they ahve been terrible implementations of AA, but that doesn't make the whole idea bad.

Oh .. I do not believe that there should be homogenuity at all .... you're reading me wrong ... what I mean is that minorities often make it a point to DISTINGUISH THEMSELVES in front of everyone and make a big deal out of it or hell even worse, just like the majority does sometimes, frowns upon mingling with the 'other kinds' or take up things from 'other cultures'

that needs to go

And again, I do not see AA as a solution, just a temporary fix ... sort of like a transitional tool more than anything else.

besides BKB's argument, whats this about?

This is a 4 page thread with some amazing discussion.

Pink I really do think that BKB is sorry for offending you, I don't think that was his intent. but at the same time to be sorry he doesn't have to change his opinion anymore than we expect you to run off and become hetero.

But andaroo,

After the supreme court justices get replaced, I think it will be very hard for gay marriage to ever come about.

You mentioned California and Mass. All the marriages were recently taken back and called illegal. And I am not sure how all the states stand on civil rights.

You are right to compare this to the 1960's. It is so much like that, but on a different level. It is the same form of ignorance and contempt that held black people down. In time gay america will have the same rights as everyone else, everywhere. But that could be a ways away, and I don't include marriage in that.

Also, you say cathliocs can't claim marriage ... but didn't they create it in the first place?

KJ

A bunch of us gathering together to figure out what to have with our tea.

pizza i guess

buscuits

tea is for panzies. coffee is a manly drink.

As manly as my avatar?

tea is the 'gay' way of saying dinner, ie. evening meal

really. that is so weird. I did not know that. Well my opinion on the drink tea stands though.

true, tea is pretty rank as is coffee, but not as bad

DEATH TO HANS! YOU DON'T BADMOUTH COFFEE! Coffee built civilizations. Coffee destroyed civilizations. Coffee creates love.

Ahh, shut-up

never

I like doritos with my pizza

Ok. Well, its clear there is a need for re-evaluation and new objectives. Like Andaroo said, nothing is going to happen still for generations. But does that just further emphasize the short-sightedness of encourageing privitization of social security for an immediate gain now? Or do you think that this new approach is "worming" it in? A good way to go?

You know what the supreme court just ruled in Canada today right?

I agree wholeheartedly.

One thing I personally hate and experience all the time, is how being educatied int eh black community means you are "acting white." ALl to often minority groups, in attempt to bond with each other do so as the expense of everyone us...leading to the "us vs them" bullshit.

AA is termporary and not the best solution, but at least now we are doing abetter job of implementin it.

doritos stink, but there tasty

I assume AA means affirmative action? Its interesting. I think it needs a bit of an updating but that its foundation are solid. Hmmm, bABA do you remember after we met I posted an article about new arguements between African Immigrants and African Americans (in regards to AA)? Well, it had to do with how they were argueing for a distinction between the two when it came to AA. There is some dated material in it. I think perhaps it needs to orient a little more about socio-economic class vs. just skin color? I don't know. I don't want it to abandon all of its current moves either, since some of them are good. I've been thinking alot about how to reorient the action to apply more appropriately to today's community. I guess there is some presedence in a busing practice the a Boston charter school began in the 90's? But I still don't know how to maintain AA's fundamental tenets while dropping some of the language which is supporting regressive 'us vs. them" discourse within communities.

Yes, AA is affirmative action, and yes the reasoning behind AA is very good, but in the past when practiced it has been horribly wrong (Univeristy of Michigan's former admissions policy is a good exmaple), and these bad implemetnations have unfortuatnely given AA a very bad rap....there are many whites who feel that becasue of AA they are denied things in favor of lessor students. While I attended the University of Delaware Honors Program, wquite a few of my fellow honors students who were white though thtat do to AA, black students with combined SAT scores below 800 could get into Harvard with no problem. This was just oen fo the many completely wrong assumoptions these otherwise highly educated people had about AA. In the end I was made to feel like I didn't belong in the honors program and I only got into due to the clor of my skin...I transfered to another college.

What is bothersome abotu the us vs them is not so much the lanague in AA, but for example I hate how several of lhe leadres on the black community fall back on the us vs them argument...it doesn't leave to positive change.

The Civil RIghts movement achieved so many gains because it included peopel from all races fighting for equality...they same things needs to happen today for continued gains agaisnt racism and prejudice.

Im thinking this will be the ideal place to air my question:

Do any of you hate gays?