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Chippy
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People stick up for people that are like them. This is nothing new or groundbreaking.
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Mannyisthebest
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White people do its racist black people do its fine.
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Barrabás
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David wrote: When people mention the race of the jurors in such a way as to indicate it compromised the trial, I regard the comment as purely racist (against white people) and just as grotesque as saying the n word in anger and spite. You're an idiot if you think for one second that 1) racism can actually happen against white people in a country where white people control the media, justice system, law enforcement, resources, money, politics, etc, 2) suggesting a jury full of white women being unable to understand race issues that permeate this case because they are white is in any way equal to the systematic dehumanization and oppression throughout centuries (that continues until today) that the word "nigger" represents.
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Chippy
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Mannyisthebest wrote: White people do its racist black people do its fine. What you just said is really racist. That's like saying "Why is there no WHITE history month?!" Or "Why isn't there a WHITE Entertainment Television?!"
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Barrabás
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Mannyisthebest wrote: ^^^ No that is so hypocritical and stupid of a black person to say I wish there was a like function to like David post...
Many people in the community like to just lay back and pretend the whole world is against them and play them victim while others in thier own community march ahead and excel.
"You and your racist posts are exactly the kind of thought process the jury went through. And I am still AMAZED there were no black people on that jury."
Why would there be a black person on a jury when there are only 6 jurors in a town that is 90% white?
Your telling me if there was an all black jury and they found Zimmerman guilty race had no basis then?
Just give it a rest guys.
This case is a piss off it has set back race relations for years imo... No, ignorant racists like you perpetuate racism and white supremacy. And also the fact that black people can be murdered and their killers walk away and are declared not guilty.
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Barrabás
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I'm going to leave this here for some people in this thread who seem to think cases like these are isolated incidents and that black people just think the whole world is against them. Quote: Police officers, security guards, or self-appointed vigilantes extrajudicially killed at least 313 African-Americans in 2012 according to a recent study. This means a black person was killed by a security officer every 28 hours. The report notes that it's possible that the real number could be much higher.
The report, entitled "Operation Ghetto Storm", was performed by the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement, an antiracist grassroots activist organization. The organization has chapters in Atlanta, Detroit, Fort Worth-Dallas, Jackson, New Orleans, New York City, Oakland, and Washington, D.C. It has a history of organizing campaigns against police brutality and state repression in black and brown communities. Their study's sources included police and media reports along with other publicly available information. Last year, the organization published a similar study showing that a black person is killed by security forces every 36 hours. However, this study did not tell the whole story, as it only looked at shootings from January to June 2012. Their latest study is an update of this.
These killings come on top of other forms of oppression black people face. Mass incarceration ofnonwhites is one of them. While African-Americans constitute 13.1% of the nation's population, they make up nearly 40% of the prison population. Even though African-Americans use or sell drugs about the same rate as whites, they are 2.8 to 5.5 times more likely to be arrested for drugs than whites. Black offenders also receive longer sentences compared to whites. Most offenders are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses.
"Operation Ghetto Storm" explains why such killings occur so often. Current practices of institutional racism have roots in the enslavement of black Africans, whose labor was exploited to build the American capitalist economy, and the genocide of Native Americans. The report points out that in order to maintain the systems of racism, colonialism, and capitalist exploitation, the United States maintains a network of "repressive enforcement structures". These structures include the police, FBI, Homeland Security, CIA, Secret Service, prisons, and private security companies, along with mass surveillance and mass incarceration. http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... ly-war-its
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David
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Barrabás wrote: David wrote: When people mention the race of the jurors in such a way as to indicate it compromised the trial, I regard the comment as purely racist (against white people) and just as grotesque as saying the n word in anger and spite. You're an idiot if you think for one second that 1) racism can actually happen against white people in a country where white people control the media, justice system, law enforcement, resources, money, politics, etc, 2) suggesting a jury full of white women being unable to understand race issues that permeate this case because they are white is in any way equal to the systematic dehumanization and oppression throughout centuries (that continues until today) that the word "nigger" represents. Your first point is hardly worth mentioning. Of course people can have a negative view of white people based upon a form of racism. The numerous other conversations and tensions you cite, such as media representation, do not change the fact there can be racism against white people. As for "nigger," I believe it represents first and foremost a bastardization of the Spanish word negro. You are welcome to your purple-prose interpretation, though, and it may indeed ring true. What troubles me regarding your overall attitude is you seem to be fine with people holding a negative, cruel view of white people (they deserve it! didn't you see Django Unchained?!), but disturbed by racism pointed in other directions. This is hardly the type of belief system which will result in equality and peace and other nice concepts in Beatles songs. My point was very simple, and it stands: the belief this case was "lost" or compromised the minute a largely (though not entirely) white jury was selected is racist.
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Chippy
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How much of a role do YOU think it played then, David?
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Barrabás
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Quote: As for "nigger," I believe it represents first and foremost a bastardization of the Spanish word negro. You are welcome to your purple-prose interpretation, though, and it may indeed ring true. A mess, what the actual fuck? You seriously don't know what that word means? I can't argue with these people anymore.
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Mannyisthebest
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Barrabás wrote: Mannyisthebest wrote: ^^^ No that is so hypocritical and stupid of a black person to say I wish there was a like function to like David post...
Many people in the community like to just lay back and pretend the whole world is against them and play them victim while others in thier own community march ahead and excel.
"You and your racist posts are exactly the kind of thought process the jury went through. And I am still AMAZED there were no black people on that jury."
Why would there be a black person on a jury when there are only 6 jurors in a town that is 90% white?
Your telling me if there was an all black jury and they found Zimmerman guilty race had no basis then?
Just give it a rest guys.
This case is a piss off it has set back race relations for years imo... No, ignorant racists like you perpetuate racism and white supremacy. And also the fact that black people can be murdered and their killers walk away and are declared not guilty. This is what so stupid about this case. I am brown and I am accused of being a white supremacist.  Quote: What you just said is really racist.
That's like saying "Why is there no WHITE history month?!" Or "Why isn't there a WHITE Entertainment Television?!" That is not racist because you are pretending that Black people are not racist. Barabbas is suggesting a white Jury was racist against Martin.. However if a black jury found Zimmerman it would not be racist even though the evidence for 2nd degree murder was sooo lacking. Racism is not the exclusive domain of whites. Latinos, Asians blacks are full of racist venom. It reminds me of this sketch from Dave Chappelle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64WSYPtZMKg
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David
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Chippy wrote: How much of a role do YOU think it played then, David? I believe the jury, regardless of their fucking polka dots, considered the case to the best of their ability and found there was insufficient evidence to convict because there was.
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David
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Barrabás wrote: Quote: As for "nigger," I believe it represents first and foremost a bastardization of the Spanish word negro. You are welcome to your purple-prose interpretation, though, and it may indeed ring true. A mess, what the actual fuck? You seriously don't know what that word means? I can't argue with these people anymore. Listen up, motherfucker. I am living in America. I know damn well what the word "means" and its history, and I find it as complicated and repulsive as the next sane person, but I am also repulsed by the anti-white racism (read it again, anti-white racism) at play when people say the racial identity of the jury compromised the case.
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Mannyisthebest
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Only a person basing the case on emotion can see Zimmerman Guilty of Murder beyond reasonable doubt.
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Barrabás
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David wrote: Barrabás wrote: Quote: As for "nigger," I believe it represents first and foremost a bastardization of the Spanish word negro. You are welcome to your purple-prose interpretation, though, and it may indeed ring true. A mess, what the actual fuck? You seriously don't know what that word means? I can't argue with these people anymore. Listen up, motherfucker. I am living in America. I know damn well what the word "means" and its history, and I find it as complicated and repulsive as the next sane person, but I am also repulsed by the anti-white racism (read it again, anti-white racism) at play when people say the racial identity of the jury compromised the case. There is no such thing as anti-white racism in the US, because as I explained before, non-whites do not have the power to oppress others there. As a white person you cannot be oppressed because of the colour of your skin, and racism implies institutionalized oppression, therefore you cannot be a victim of racism. You can be prejudiced towards white people, and sure, you can argue I'm being prejudiced even though I think I'm making a very reasonable assumption (backed up by the fact that one of them said "Zimmerman's heart was in the right place" which means that either 1) she agrees that a black person walking around is suspicious which makes her racist, 2) she has zero understanding of the fact that Zimmerman following Trayvon around because he was black was racist).
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Barrabás
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Quote: I am brown and I am accused of being a white supremacist. No, I did not say that. What I did say is that you perpetuate white supremacy by ignoring and denying the racist system that led Zimmerman to walk free after murdering a teenager , even though white supremacy is not extended to you and as a brown person you have a chance of being victim to the same injustice that was visited upon Trayvon. And Zimmerman himself, being half Amerindian, does not have full access to the benefits of whiteness either. He does in this case, because white people need a precedent that makes it OK for them to profile and kill black people simply because they are black and found them threatening (because they are black, because people in America are raised to believe that black man are inherently threatening), but he can still get stopped in Arizona and deported if he doesn't have his papers on him.
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ironmanbarry
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Barrabás wrote: Re: Magnus Quote: The biggest question we don't know is whether Zimmerman was justified in fearing for his life. I do not doubt that he did fear for his life but was this fear reasonable? Zimmerman feared for his life because Trayvon was black. What this trial means is that it's legal to murder a black person because you're afraid they will hurt you simply because they are black, which is something that has been happening for decades and decades. Every 28 hours a black male is murdered by police or vigilantes like Zimmerman and their killer is acquitted because they claim self-defense. Even reaching into your pocket is enough to justify shooting someone dead if they are black. On what legal basis should Zimmerman have been convicted, as no one knows or happened during the fight?
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ironmanbarry
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Barrabás wrote: Mannyisthebest wrote: ^^^ No that is so hypocritical and stupid of a black person to say I wish there was a like function to like David post...
Many people in the community like to just lay back and pretend the whole world is against them and play them victim while others in thier own community march ahead and excel.
"You and your racist posts are exactly the kind of thought process the jury went through. And I am still AMAZED there were no black people on that jury."
Why would there be a black person on a jury when there are only 6 jurors in a town that is 90% white?
Your telling me if there was an all black jury and they found Zimmerman guilty race had no basis then?
Just give it a rest guys.
This case is a piss off it has set back race relations for years imo... No, ignorant racists like you perpetuate racism and white supremacy. And also the fact that black people can be murdered and their killers walk away and are declared not guilty. Watching black people riot the last 2 nights including acting innocents bystanders, breaking property and even acting police makes me question the brains of many black people. Even Martin, why didn't he go into the house when he had a lead and the time to do so or even call the cops from his cell phone. Either not very smart or he was hiding something or he decided he wanted to beat up the guy following him. A mistake which ended up costing Martin his life.
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David
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Barrabás wrote: There is no such thing as anti-white racism in the US, because as I explained before, non-whites do not have the power to oppress others there. As a white person you cannot be oppressed because of the colour of your skin, and racism implies institutionalized oppression... I define racism as the hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. It does often manifest itself in the way you are describing, but I do not believe "institutionalized oppression" is part of the basic definition. It is a symptom and byproduct, not a fundamental component of racism.
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Barrabás
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ironmanbarry wrote: Watching black people riot the last 2 nights including acting innocents bystanders, breaking property and even acting police makes me question the brains of many black people.
Even Martin, why didn't he go into the house when he had a lead and the time to do so or even call the cops from his cell phone. Either not very smart or he was hiding something or he decided he wanted to beat up the guy following him.
A mistake which ended up costing Martin his life.
So the actions of a few reflect on millions? So because a group of black men (and FYI the only people rioting aren't just black people) riot suddenly you question the intelligence and sanity of black people? So then if I say that I question the intelligence and sanity of white people based on the fact that every school shooting in American history has been perpetrated by a white person you'd agree with me, correct? Or does generalizing millions of people based on the actions of few only apply to non-whites? And about Martin, but you don't know what happened. You don't know if he had time to call the cops, or if he felt comfortable. Why can't you give him the benefit of the doubt? And questioning his intelligence? Hiding something? He wasn't hiding anything, and this is fact. He was unarmed, he had nothing on him. You are racist as hell, and I really don't want to continue this discussion because this thread is making me lose hope in humanity. I hope none of the people supporting Zimmerman like the racist I just replied to in this post are ever in a position of power because I would feel really sorry for any non-white people who they have any influence over. I also hope they never have children.
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Yes, if you don't believe the state met the burden of proof, DO NOT EVER BREED.
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Y'all crackas are racist
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Mannyisthebest
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See the reality was that any person looked at the case from an objective point of view could have easily seen Zimmerman there was not a case for murder. Also based on the court case it was easily proven there were reasonable doubts. See there are three groups here. Martin Supporters who think he was a saint and Zimmerman deserves to be hanged. Zimmerman supporters who think he is a hero and Martin was a gangster. Myself and many others on here belong to the group that what Zimmerman did was wrong but was not murder and was really a series of really bad mistakes on both parties or manslaughter. You say the Jury was racist for letting Zimmerman off for not feeling for Martin. Imo it would have just as racist for an black jury to discount all reasonable doubts and seek revenge for Martin. Quote: even though white supremacy is not extended to you and as a brown person you have a chance of being victim to the same injustice that was visited upon Trayvon. You have a point however that does not give me the excuse to give up all hope and play the victim and blame my lifes problems all on white people.
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ironmanbarry
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Mannyisthebest wrote: You have a point however that does not give me the excuse to give up all hope and play the victim and blame my lifes problems all on white people.
Watching the news this morning, all I do is see is rage. Justice for Martin by the Adults? Well sorry but there was a trial. He already got Justice. But then there are other riots by lots of stupid people, younger people deciding to run wild and just cause trouble and damage, in the name of Martin. Sorry but no other group I know acts like these out of control people.
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David wrote: Listen up, motherfucker. Hello! David got some rage in him?
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Chippy
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You don't watch much news, do you?
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