That's rather incorrect. We don't know if they feel pain or not, because they don't have the central nervous system as we do. They do respond to external factors, though.

Delicious...

Vegans (which I am) actually don't use any of the products you've listed. Stop trying to paint all vegans/vegetarians as hypocrites, as some of us truly do our best to avoid animal products. It's nearly impossible in this day and age to have a home free of anything that's been either tested on animals or has some sort of animal product in it. I think that says more about the world we live in than the people trying to make it better.

Read this article, Krem: http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/exte ... t5jul.html

All plant responses are a direct effect of chemical reactions, not pain or anything like that. They don't have any kind of central nervous system.

Don't get so touchy..Im not trying to paint all vegans as hypocrites....I was saying basically the samet hing you are...its nearly impossible for anyone to not use any time of animal product...

I am not arguing that they don't have a CNS. What I'm saying is that just because they don't, doesn't mean they don't feel pain. We just don't know.

And of course, humans pain is also a chemical response. If a person somehow loses the nervous endings going to tehir leg, and therefore can't feel pain in the leg anymore, does that make it OK for someone else to cut it off?

It is if they're a real asshole about everything. :wink:

A question to vegans on this site (seems to be quite a few): Do you eat fish?

Well, until we learn any different i'll just continue to abstain from eating what I know feels pain.

I think you're fucked if that's ever proven.

Well, there are several different types of vegetarains...

Type 1) Semi vegetarians - These 'vegetarians' eat all types of foods in their diet - including meat. However these individuals limit the amount of animal products they consume.

Type 2) Lacto vegetarian - Individuals in this group are a step up from the semi vegetarians. They avoid all animal products except for dairy products in their diet.

Type 3) Lacto-ovo vegetarians - This type of vegetarian diet excludes all meat except for dairy and eggs. Not too different from the previous type.

Type 4) Vegans - These are the 'hard-core" vegetarians who avoid all animal products in their diet, such as meats, dairy products, and eggs. The vegan diet rely on lentils, beans, soy products etc..

So, a vegan wouldn't eat fish.

Except for Audrey 2 and Triffids

Well, i'm not counting on it ever being proven since every bit of information we have now tells us they don't feel pain.

If it is, though, i'll eat dirt.

Vegans aren't vegetarians. I think makeshift is the only vegan on the site (that I know of).

You do know what a vegan is, right? Because, if you did, I don't think you'd ask that question...

Vegans don't eat any animal products. Including certain oils, too.

Vegan Hemp Lip Balm is good stuff. \:D/

Be careful not to hurt the worms.

Mmm, delicious dirt... mouth-watering mud... satiable sand...

I doubt it that any plants feel pain, but I can't count on it unless I was one. Same deal with cats. I would like to think they don't understand Englsh, but perhaps they do... and perhaps they DO understand it, but aren't admitting to it because they don't want their cover blown... PERHAPS cats sneak out of our homes at night, to a secret cat meeting, to plot against humans!!!... or, I have one screwed-up imagination.

I'll do my best.

If dirt doesnt work, you can always eat your boogers

Actually, that was a typo. I meant vegetarians.

Smartness has nothing to do with it. By that logic, mentally retarded humans would be OK to eat. But to answer your first question, I am a semi-vegetarian for three reasons, and they kind of work together, without one overshadowing the other. I worry about not getting enough protein in my diet unless I eat fish as well, and that's where I drew the line. Some people make similar decisions and draw the line at chicken, for instance.

video didn't work for me and only had me to do an error report thingy on the page. But in the end I'm still love meat and rusty will always eat meat.

Hey, I admitted to being a semi-hypocrite. But then isn't everyone? Are you being a hypcrite for working to help the victims of a flood while ignoring all the other victims? Are you a hypocrite for saving a puppy from a bad home while other puppies get put to sleep in animal shelters every day?

The fact is that you can't do everything or solve every problem in the world, so you do what you can. It's better than doing nothing.

And to answer some of your questions: I drink milk and eat eggs; nothing dies when I do so even though I am aware that some farms treat their chickens and cows poorly (see earlier comment about doing what you can to help even if it isn't 100%). I do not think I am using any products that have been tested on animals. My wife buys all her makeup at the local health food store and it contains no animal products. I have no leather car interior and I wear tennis shoes everywhere (even in court) that have very little leather, becase I just can't find good shoes that don't have leather. If I eat fish, I certainly don't care about insects that are even lower on the evolutionary scale.

Bottom line: If you want to help, you do the best you can. I would rather see someone give 50% than say "It's either 100% or nothing" and then give nothing.

I find it odd that you are vegan and your favorite genre of motion pictures is horror.

I dunno. Just doesn't seem compatible to me.

What's up with vegetarians eating fish, though? Is fish considered a not so "worthy" animal?

Why's that? I have the ability to differentiate fantasy from reality, and it's not as if horror films are filled with actual animal killings or anything. I must admit, i'm completely perplexed by this, andaroo.