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Chippy
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 Re: Should I become a vegetarian? I was told by my doctor, that 26 weeks is where the baby can viably live outside of the womb. Now, I don't know if I agree with someone who aborts at 25 weeks, without extenuating circumstances, but it would be their right to choose to do so. I would imagine if you're at 25 weeks, and your baby is healthy, you plan on keeping it.
Also, I'm still for women having abortions after 26 weeks in extreme circumstances, like the mother's life being in danger, or the baby not being viable outside of the womb.
But really, I'm not in a position to decide this. This should be a woman's issue. Let women decide. But alas, hardly any women are elected to make these decisions. Because of emails or some shit.
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zwackerm
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? Groucho wrote: You really think women who were raped are going to wait, say, 5 months to get an abortion?
No way. They're going to get that small collection of cells out of their body as quick as they possibly can, long before there is any viability. Calling a collection of cells a "person" is like calling an egg a chicken.
This is the problem with the anti-abortion people and why it is impossible to debate them.
I agree that abortion should be illegal after a certain time, when the baby is indeed a baby that can exist outside the womb. When that date is can be discussed and debated and should be based on science and medical expertise.
The anti-abortion people instead claim, without a shred of evidence, that a collection of cells is a baby from the moment of conception. They usually base this on a religious belief, which has no place in our laws.
So the best way to deal with people like this is to ignore them while those of us who actually pay attention to facts and logic deal with the real world You are a collection of cells, Groucho. Just a large one. I believe it is wrong to end the life of an unborn human if both the unborn child and the mother will live through the pregnancy and she was not raped. The "clump of cells" is a unique human life that shouldn't be taken if possible. Regardless of whether it feels or thinks, it is alive.
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zwackerm
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? Saying abortion is a women's issue is silly. If it was just her body that was in danger than yeah it could just be a women's issue. But the baby is not her. It is a new combination of her and the father.
Now, if we could abort and not kill the baby/embryo/fetus/clump of cells/whatever you call it, then it's perfectly acceptable in any case.
If nothing else, the limit should be 21 weeks because a child that early has survived.
After 1 month is when the baby begins to resemble not a ball shape. At 2 months is when it indisputably resembles a baby, unless it is behind.
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Chippy
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? No. It's the woman's body. It's her decision.
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_axiom
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? zwackerm wrote: Saying abortion is a women's issue is silly. If it was just her body that was in danger than yeah it could just be a women's issue. But the baby is not her. It is a new combination of her and the father. You are basically saying that woman's body = test tube. Nice zwackerm, nice...
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zwackerm
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? _axiom wrote: zwackerm wrote: Saying abortion is a women's issue is silly. If it was just her body that was in danger than yeah it could just be a women's issue. But the baby is not her. It is a new combination of her and the father. You are basically saying that woman's body = test tube. Nice zwackerm, nice... Biologically it is. But that's beside the point. I know that contraception fails, but it's still irresponsible to have sex during ovulation without plans to either keep or give up the child for adoption.
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_axiom
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? 1. Women didn't choose to be women.
2. They have every right to fuck whenever they want (just like men do).
3. They have every right to abort if they didn't want to get pregnant in the first place (and no, men don't get to be asked anything about it).
4. They are not baby plants unlike history of mankind wants to present them.
5. Abortion is a simple medical procedure that helps women (sometimes physically, most of the time mentally, socio-economically, etc.)
If you have problem with removing "lil baby" cells, you probably don't want to ever have any medical procedure done ever. They'll probably be removing some of YOUR LIVE and HEALTHY cells so effectively you'll be a disabled person if we go be your belief every cell is a living creature crapshit.
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Groucho
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? zwackerm wrote: You are a collection of cells, Groucho. Just a large one. A large one with a functioning brain and nerves so I can feel pain, something your "person" doesn't have until quite a few weeks into the pregnancy. What a stupid analogy. A cancerous tumor is also a collection of cells. Better not remove it! Zwackerm will get upset! zwackerm wrote: I believe it is wrong to end the life of an unborn human if both the unborn child and the mother will live through the pregnancy and she was not raped. The "clump of cells" is a unique human life that shouldn't be taken if possible. Regardless of whether it feels or thinks, it is alive. You go right on believing whatever silly thing you want, even if there are no facts to support your belief. If you want to believe that invisible unicorns live in your underwear and crystals cure cancer, you can believe that too. It's when you want to force ME to live by your silly beliefs that I get upset. Keep your silly beliefs out of my laws and we'll get along fine. _________________Buy my books! http://michaelaventrella.com
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zwackerm
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? Groucho wrote: zwackerm wrote: You are a collection of cells, Groucho. Just a large one. A large one with a functioning brain and nerves so I can feel pain, something your "person" doesn't have until quite a few weeks into the pregnancy. What a stupid analogy. A cancerous tumor is also a collection of cells. Better not remove it! Zwackerm will get upset! zwackerm wrote: I believe it is wrong to end the life of an unborn human if both the unborn child and the mother will live through the pregnancy and she was not raped. The "clump of cells" is a unique human life that shouldn't be taken if possible. Regardless of whether it feels or thinks, it is alive. You go right on believing whatever silly thing you want, even if there are no facts to support your belief. If you want to believe that invisible unicorns live in your underwear and crystals cure cancer, you can believe that too. It's when you want to force ME to live by your silly beliefs that I get upset. Keep your silly beliefs out of my laws and we'll get along fine. Good god Groucho, silly beliefs are viewing homosexuality as something everyone should be forced to not practice. Pain and thought are not what determines a life. Otherwise, quadriplegics and people in comas would be dead. If an "embryo" is not alive, is it dead? There are many pro life secular people. It's not a religious issue as to whether ending the life of something for no reason other than convenience is wrong. The nation is evenly split on the issue, and even people who lean pro choice don't necessarily think our current system of abortion for any reason is right.
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Algren
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? I'm a meat eater. Vegetarianism is idiotic. You're not saving any animals, if that's what you think. There's more than enough normal people (meat eaters) for the supply of meat to not be affected by your little attention seeking moment (which vegetarians CANNOT shut up about).
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zwackerm
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? My motivation is not to save animals; it's to not be a hypocrite.
And it's only been 6 hours since I've eaten meat, so there's no guarantee I'll have the will power, especially considering I'm currently on a meal plan.
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Algren
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? zwackerm wrote: My motivation is not to save animals; it's to not be a hypocrite. You mean like Groucho? _________________STOP UIGHUR GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? It is absolutely ridiculous to call vegetarianism attention-seeking, considering how fairly widespread it is.
That being said, I don't care, I love meat with all my heart and my subjective quality of life would decrease substantially, if I stopped eating it. There is rarely a day in a week on which I do not eat meat. I once went for eight days without meat, as an experiment. I was miserable.
In fact, I am always on a quest to try out new meats from different animals. Aside from your usual chicken/beef/pork, I have eaten, among others, zebra, crocodile, alligator, frog, bison, kangaroo, pigeon, moose and antilope meat. One of my personal favorites is ostrich.
The only meats I really do not like are lamb and hare (not rabbit is tasty, though).
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Algren
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? Attention-seeking and popular are not mutually exclusive.
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Algren
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? I've lost count of the different meats I've tried. Being in China, I've tried a lot of different animals, and like Lecter I'm always eager to seek out new animals to feast on. A few off the top of my head that I've tried; kangaroo, crocodile, frog, donkey, and snake. I've also tried cow's intestine, and will try dog soon. And pigeon isn't particularly noteworthy. We eat that most weeks!  _________________STOP UIGHUR GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? I know plenty of vegetarians, I'd argue none of them is attention-seeking at all.
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Algren
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? Dr. Lecter wrote: I know plenty of vegetarians, I'd argue none of them is attention-seeking at all. You're free to argue that. But you'd be wrong.  _________________STOP UIGHUR GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? No
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? Algren wrote: I'm a meat eater. Vegetarianism is idiotic. You're not saving any animals, if that's what you think. There's more than enough normal people (meat eaters) for the supply of meat to not be affected by your little attention seeking moment (which vegetarians CANNOT shut up about). Yeah, what's the point in having morals? In caring? There are plenty of other people who don't. You're just wasting your time trying to live a life that makes you happy. _________________Buy my books! http://michaelaventrella.com
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? Algren wrote: zwackerm wrote: My motivation is not to save animals; it's to not be a hypocrite. You mean like Groucho? You mean how I try not to be a hypocrite by crying over mistreated cats while eating cows? Like I said earlier? You're absolutely right. I am not a hypocrite. Um, you DO know what that word means, right? Would you like a link to a dictionary? _________________Buy my books! http://michaelaventrella.com
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? What does bother me are people who eat fish, yet still call themselves vegetarian.
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Algren
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? Not eating meat that was bred to be eaten sounds like the most retarded "moral" ever. But believe whatever you want. I'm not interested in converting a vegetarian. They love the attention, though.
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Algren
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? Dr. Lecter wrote: What does bother me are people who eat fish, yet still call themselves vegetarian. Those are called pescatarians. They are like the bi-sexuals of eating. They want it every which way. _________________STOP UIGHUR GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG
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Chippy
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? I know how bad eating meat is for the environment, but I love it too much.
Recently my wife and I have been on a low carb diet, which is insanely hard. And meat has no carbs, so it's been almost an every meal thing for us. Don't know what I would eat without it.
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zwackerm
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Re: Should I become a vegetarian? I'm not definitely going to be a vegetarian. I'm just going to try and see how it goes. Odds are I'll fail.
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