Yup. Cause with Arafat, there was NO hope for peace.

When he dies, or gets the fuck outta there, there will be hope.

Oh hehe

Well, the thing is, I don't feel like saying "YAY, he's dead!" because I do feel compassion to a degree. But it would be wrong not to admit that this death is for the good in Middle East.

so technically according you, something WILL change.

Hamas is not all that powerful, after Israels' campaign against it.

Arafat was quietly condoning terrorism, and Israel flat out refused to negotiate with him, as they should have. Even if Hamas gains control, nothing will change for the worse.

Clinically dead:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... _arafat_dc

I've got news for all of you!

The Middle east will never have peace! NEVER!!

Over three millenia of conflict and war and you really think one man's death will change things or act as a catalyst?

I am sorry, even Jesus, did not have that effect!

The only solution that I can see is that 1.) Declare it a No Mans Land to honour its conflicted history (though they would never go for that), or 2.) Blow it up and sink it into the waters!

Then there will be peace as far as having a rightful claim to the land!

I am sorry if these are radical statements and my point is not to offend even if I do, but that's what I see after review the situation for what it is!

Technically, yes. I mean, he WILL be dead ;-)

also, nothing changes as long as people consider the problems to be one sided.

You're nothing more than an evil man!! :evil:

That's what they said about North Ireland too. If you don't work to fix the problem, then it will never go away.

Fox News is reporting he is on life support.

there also would be hope if a certain other group got out

cnn is reporting a subway collision.

where?

Tricky tricky.

@Krem, yeah, I don't hold out much hope that there will be a *dramatic* change. I mentioned why in that other thread when we were talking about Israel. Anyways, I don't think it'll be much because I don't think, in the past couple years at least, that he has had much power anyways. Nothing he would have said or done would have heald up as it would have in a Nation State. If he said don't blow up a bus in Israel, and Hamas or any other group wanted to, do you really think they would have listened to him? Nope.

But this could lead to some change, because, while him being removed definately won't hurt, it [b]could[/i] help. I think he got to the point where since he wasn't going to be listened to anyways, he kind of threw himself in with the groups anyways. Sort of like :If you can't beat them, join them." Maybe the *New Guy* won't have that mentality. I can only hope...

@Lecter, that's probably why both Krem and I are hesitant to say anything spectacular is going to come of it. But as you said, wish and hope.

@bABA, it didn't have to be death, he could have just stepped down long ago, but since he was in the position for life, there's really nothing that can be done except, well this. Its not going to be some miracle pill, and yes, since its still ambiguous as to what's going to happen next, it could be nothing. There's a slim chance it'll even get worse. But there are too many other ocuntries invested in this now that are going to jockey to put their puppet in and I really don't see the situation continueing to go down.

I mean really. How much worse could it get? I think we're already in the valley, so at this point it would take a very concerted effort using picks and shovels (and maybe some dynamite) to get any lower.

-Dolce

Like what group?

That's like comparing camels to horses! Ireland did not have conflict until the Brits came and the land divided and again a religious conflict for the most part! That was recent ( as in the last century) and did not take milleniums to sort out!

In reference to the Middle East, Ireland does not even compare! And, I would not dare so far as to say that there is peace in Ireland! Just look beneath the surface and they still have a long way to go if that peace is going to be a lasting one!

I just read hes in coma... still alive..

oh and subway was in DC near national zoo

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/04/trains ... index.html

Washington D.C.

The only problem with your logic is that the conflict between Arabs and Israelis is very recent; it did not exist until the 1940's.

Well, from what it looks like at the moment the title will become truth very soon anyway.

So...what other group did you mean?

You see the difference?

I believe one person, who is a proven terrorist should die. You want the whole nation to disappear.

Just lovely.

You guys all have internet browsers that are way too fast for me to keep up with.

Anyways, Miru, I see what you're saying. And difference bewteen here, and say Northern Ireland, as Krem pointed to, is that it is not just a question of land occupation and geographic space. It has the extra *perk* of every monotheistic religion's investment in the place. Yeah, its going to suck. I agree, but you have to keep trying because a place that unique to so many people should not be stained with blood. It should be a comfortable envirnment which every religious pilgrim from every religion should be able to visit, practice, and reflect comfortably at.

That being said, I can't speak for all of Israel, which should remain with the Jews, but Jerusalem has to be international territory. They need to make it like The Vatican of Marino or something and just make it it's own country. The psychological problems with it being "owned" by any one religion are impossible to overcome. It should be, as you put it, No Man's Land (btw, have you seen that film?). Old City should belong to itself, and to everyone, have good border patrol upon immediate entry, and everyone should just respect everyone elses right to pray their in peace.

-Dolce

ill pm you