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bABA
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 Racial differences. Are we forcibly fueling it? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/w ... index.html
It was an interesting read till I realized this was an opinionated column.
Aside from Tony Dungy, nobody wants to talk about that aspect of the story, because that's the really scary part. It might tell us something about ourselves, that our country hasn't come as far in the area of race relations as we'd like to believe
I've always felt that one of the primary reasons why racial differences (and issues) exist between all of us is because we forcibly fuel them. We ourselves do it and its sometimes not even the majority, but the minorities that WANT EVERYONE to look at it as a racial issue.
I did not see this episode, nor did I get a chance to see the reaction but seriously, we've all seen interracial relationships (of different kind) ... and cept for those who really DO HAVE RACIAL ISSUES, not many care really (about THAT aspect). What do you think? Would you be shocked if you saw a black man doing it with a white woman? Are you thinking what I'm thinking that this person is forcibly turning something into another thing which is completely different?
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zingy
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All this raciest stuff is bullshit. Whether you believe in God, Allah, the Sun, or a piece of string, we're all equal. Whether your white, black, brown, or purple, we're all equal. That's how we were made, and that's how it should be. Discriminating against someone for being different is just about as low as you can get.
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bABA
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Zingaling wrote: All this raciest stuff is bullshit. Whether you believe in God, Allah, the Sun, or a piece of string, we're all equal. Whether your white, black, brown, or purple, we're all equal. That's how we were made, and that's how it should be. Discriminating against someone for being different is just about as low as you can get. I think you misunderstand what I say. Read the article. In my opinion, hes forcibly turning this into a racial issue when there isn't even one!
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BacktotheFuture
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I don't think the MNF skit being controversial had anything to do with race. It was the soccer moms who came out against the skit and they come out against EVERYTHING involving sex. I don't know why many black people think it was about race. If it would've been Vinny Testaverde instead of T.O. the same thing would've happened.
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Rod
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I kinda agree...I don't know it's not an easy issue.
But speaking of racism, there was this stupid guy who came in at work yesterday, and he already seemed pretty drunk to begin with, and he was muttering something, and then ended up saying some pretty racist comment. Ugh. It was annoying frustrating, embarrasing...and I didn't feel like having to deal with him. Luckily I didn't have to. But it's just...frustrating to see people like that.
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bABA
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Rod but what about this article.
What you described was racist, no doubt but read this. What happened here is a normal act that people didn't like. Fair enough. But then, this dude comes along and says the issue exists cause people are not willing to accept racial differences! I mean wtf!! This had nothing to do with race to begin with!
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The article is full of shit.
Yes, the whole thing was blown way out of proportion. No, it isn't in any way, shape or form about race. TO is admired here in Philly, and hated everywhere else, but it has nothing to do with race.
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| Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:39 pm |
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Rod
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bABA wrote: Rod but what about this article.
What you described was racist, no doubt but read this. What happened here is a normal act that people didn't like. Fair enough. But then, this dude comes along and says the issue exists cause people are not willing to accept racial differences! I mean wtf!! This had nothing to do with race to begin with! Ok, I was agreeing with you that on some ocassions people bring race into issues that aren't really related to race. I agree with that.
But in this case I'm not sure that's the case. I mean...maybe it's just because of the way i view things, but I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with it. Not because its a white woman with a black man...not because it's too racy.
There have been more "racy" (not tlaking about race here hehe) moments on TV that people have not had a problem with...so at the very least it makes you wonder.
But then again there are people who actually think Desperate Housewives is too hot for TV! ???
Wether its an issue of race, or sex, to me it just show that the country seems to be moving backwards...and I don't like it. _________________Best Actress 2008
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| Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:42 pm |
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Baba, we agree on an issue.
Let's cherish this special occasion.
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| Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:43 pm |
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bABA
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Krem wrote: Baba, we agree on an issue.
Let's cherish this special occasion. :Kiss:
Now that I've made you uncomfortable:
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A. G.
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Well I don't buy the objections to the promo based on sexual morality because a large amount of those same "Family men" fathers have R rated pay channels, go to strip clubs, have kids who have internet access to unlimited porn and god knows what else. And football anyway reeks of paganistic he-man crap, complete with sideline sluts to ogle. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;p but I'm saying it's hypocritical to be into that stuff and then be aghast at a little flesh.
Also, what passes for nudity these days? They keep saying she was nude, does that mean really nude as in everything was shown? Or does it mean (like I think it does) that she simply was nude but things were artfully covered up. If that's the case then I wish they'd stop saying how she was naked. You see more than that on a family trip to a beach.
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Archie Gates wrote: Well I don't buy the objections to the promo based on sexual morality because a large amount of those same "Family men" fathers have R rated pay channels, go to strip clubs, have kids who have internet access to unlimited porn and god knows what else. And football anyway reeks of paganistic he-man crap, complete with sideline sluts to ogle. Hey!
They're not sluts! They're just... good-looking!
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BacktotheFuture
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Archie Gates wrote: Well I don't buy the objections to the promo based on sexual morality because a large amount of those same "Family men" fathers have R rated pay channels, go to strip clubs, have kids who have internet access to unlimited porn and god knows what else. And football anyway reeks of paganistic he-man crap, complete with sideline sluts to ogle. Well if that's not a stereotype I haven't ever seen one. I don't understand how you can make a generalization like that while talking about an issue on race.
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bABA
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I believe thats what Archie means ... generalizations .... and stereotyping.
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Archie Gates wrote: Also, what passes for nudity these days? They keep saying she was nude, does that mean really nude as in everything was shown? Or does it mean (like I think it does) that she simply was nude but things were artfully covered up. If that's the case then I wish they'd stop saying how she was naked. You see more than that on a family trip to a beach. They just showed her "nude" from the back. Her thingies were'nt shown.
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bABA
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Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: Also, what passes for nudity these days? They keep saying she was nude, does that mean really nude as in everything was shown? Or does it mean (like I think it does) that she simply was nude but things were artfully covered up. If that's the case then I wish they'd stop saying how she was naked. You see more than that on a family trip to a beach. They just showed her "nude" from the back. Her thingies were'nt shown. **Head pops up, listening again**
which thingies!!
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bABA wrote: Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: Also, what passes for nudity these days? They keep saying she was nude, does that mean really nude as in everything was shown? Or does it mean (like I think it does) that she simply was nude but things were artfully covered up. If that's the case then I wish they'd stop saying how she was naked. You see more than that on a family trip to a beach. They just showed her "nude" from the back. Her thingies were'nt shown. **Head pops up, listening again** which thingies!! I couldn't see them, so I can't tell :-P
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BacktotheFuture
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bABA wrote: Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: Also, what passes for nudity these days? They keep saying she was nude, does that mean really nude as in everything was shown? Or does it mean (like I think it does) that she simply was nude but things were artfully covered up. If that's the case then I wish they'd stop saying how she was naked. You see more than that on a family trip to a beach. They just showed her "nude" from the back. Her thingies were'nt shown. **Head pops up, listening again** which thingies!! Her boobs weren't shown.
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Rod
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Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: Also, what passes for nudity these days? They keep saying she was nude, does that mean really nude as in everything was shown? Or does it mean (like I think it does) that she simply was nude but things were artfully covered up. If that's the case then I wish they'd stop saying how she was naked. You see more than that on a family trip to a beach. They just showed her "nude" from the back. Her thingies were'nt shown. So basically its just implied nudity?
Seriously...that's stupid. I don't know what's supider...people making a big deal of the commercial because of race and using sex as an excuse or them actually thinking it shouldn't be on TV.
Both cases are pathetic. _________________Best Actress 2008
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I agree. It wasnt about race. We are TO focused on race in this country, that we keep on making a divide between us. We are all equal, all deserve the same rights...ect. I hate racism, and think people who are racist are very ignorant. VERY IGNORANT.
But this commercial had nothing to do with race, its the soccor moms and others making way to big a deal about a girl in a towel. Seriously? wtf is the big deal? Its the same thing with the super bowl thing...blowing things way out of proportion.
Its funny that they harp on a commerical like this, and how "bad" it is, when we can show the actual war like its a damn movie on t.v., girls gone wild can have open timeslots, and you can see more violence and disgusting acts on the daily news....
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Kill the white people.
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Re: Racial differences. Are we forcibly fueling it? bABA wrote: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/jeffri_chadiha/11/18/chadiha.to/index.html
It was an interesting read till I realized this was an opinionated column.
Aside from Tony Dungy, nobody wants to talk about that aspect of the story, because that's the really scary part. It might tell us something about ourselves, that our country hasn't come as far in the area of race relations as we'd like to believe
I've always felt that one of the primary reasons why racial differences (and issues) exist between all of us is because we forcibly fuel them. We ourselves do it and its sometimes not even the majority, but the minorities that WANT EVERYONE to look at it as a racial issue.
I did not see this episode, nor did I get a chance to see the reaction but seriously, we've all seen interracial relationships (of different kind) ... and cept for those who really DO HAVE RACIAL ISSUES, not many care really (about THAT aspect). What do you think? Would you be shocked if you saw a black man doing it with a white woman? Are you thinking what I'm thinking that this person is forcibly turning something into another thing which is completely different? I have to say I agree with alot of what he says.
Then again I have been aroudn more then instance of a black man bringing hoem a white women. I;ve seen how ugly those situations can get.
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rusty
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I don't like talking about racism cuz I know I'm gonna offend someone.
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rusty wrote: I don't like talking about racism cuz I know I'm gonna offend someone. Alright everyone. I get the point. 
Go right ahead Rusty, we're not into censorship here. If you have something you think you want to say about it, and you're think you want to, go right ahead. I'm sure you have some interesting stuff to say. I know you're in Anthro class and have alot of political opinions as well. This is afterall a discussion forum, so..discuss.
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rusty
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Personal views coming from rusty:
I've dated a black girl one time in my life. It wasn't a long relationship because I really didn't like the situation. I come from a very white town and all I see is white people dating white people and I've grown accustumed to that. I find it somewhat weird when two different races are mixing. It's also weird for me when I go to big cities which just so happends to be a very diverse place (such as Ottawa and Toronto where the minority is white). I guess it's just that I've been programmed from living where I live.
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