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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
I do not understand football very well, but I always end up watching the Super Bowl, and this one was definitely dull.
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Absolutely terrible game for me to watch. Reminded me of horrible Buffalo Bills nightmare SBs back in the day.
The Good: The National Anthem Bruno Mars/RHCP Commercial of the guy not knowing he's in a commercial
The Bad: Broncos losing Welker losing Again! The commercials were mostly Shit. Freaking transformer riding a god damn oversized dinobot. What a nightmare. The audio during the interview with the winners. Barely understood half of it.
Peyton will never be winning another SB. I think that's clear. Defense wins championships yet again and Denver isn't gonna fix that before Peyton is done. Heck, the Seahawks will probably win back to back titles if they get homefield again.
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Least competitive Super bowl I have ever watched, Denver was shut down period. I expected a Seattle victory, but in a close game with both teams scoring over 20 points. Talk about domination, not even the 2003 Bucs/Raiders game was this lopsided and I was going for the Bucs that year as they have been my favorite NFL team since around 1998. It was like watching Seattle play the worst team in the league, total dominance.
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
Seattle has a very young team and should be favored to do it again next year. Their biggest challenge looks to be the 49ers once again. I'm hoping for a different outcome next year at the new Santa Clara stadium.
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Least competitive Super bowl I have ever watched, Denver was shut down period. I expected a Seattle victory, but in a close game with both teams scoring over 20 points. Talk about domination, not even the 2003 Bucs/Raiders game was this lopsided and I was going for the Bucs that year as they have been my favorite NFL team since around 1998. It was like watching Seattle play the worst team in the league, total dominance.
I saw the worst blowout SB as a kid when the Niners beat the Broncos by 45 points that was still worse than this one. Probably the worst blowouts since the Bills got humiliated by the Cowboys. Also, I have a feeling the Niners could have beaten the Broncos. It is obvious the NFC was the best conference this year.
Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:03 am
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
Jmart wrote:
Excel wrote:
BJ wrote:
The best offense of all time made to look retarded by one of the top 5-10 defenses ever. Defense OWNs!
Only idiots think the 2013 Bronco's were the greatest offense of all time.
They were statistically, therefor they kinda were.
That is with no context. The league heavily favors the offense now, much more than in the past. They were not in the same zip code, in terms of efficiency or diversity of talents, as the 2007 Patriots, the 2011 Packers, 1998 Vikings, 1999 - 2001 Rams, et al. The Bronco's rely on picks and screens. That's it. Take those away - the colts did it earlier this year - and they're in huge trouble. They were totally unprepared for the Seahawks and were not capable of adjusting.
Anybody who actually watched the full games knows what I mean. The 2007 Pats were so good at so many different things. The 2011 Packers were the same way. The 1998 Vikings, who in my opinion were the greatest offense ever, had an elite running back in Smith, elite receiver in Carter, cannon armed QB in Cunningham, an all universe offensive line, and the greatest weapon in NFL history named Randy Moss, who nobody had figured out and was completely unstoppable all season long.
The Broncos have...screen passes and pick plays. Running it up on teams n their horrible division is not impressive whatsoever. Any student of the game knew they were in trouble tonight, just as I told everybody two weeks ago.
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Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:19 am
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
I think the late 80 Niner teams had a better offense than the Broncos, you have Montana, Rice, a great OL, Taylor (very underrated WR), Roger Craig (a great all purpose RB), and a few other great parts. And then you had the old rules. If today's rules were around back then Montana and the Niners would have destroyed those records.
Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:23 am
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
Jedi Master Carr wrote:
I think the late 80 Niner teams had a better offense than the Broncos, you have Montana, Rice, a great OL, Taylor (very underrated WR), Roger Craig (a great all purpose RB), and a few other great parts. And then you had the old rules. If today's rules were around back then Montana and the Niners would have destroyed those records.
The change of rules is matched by increased talent. Jerry Rice would not be early as effective today as he was in the 1980s,.
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Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:29 am
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
Excel wrote:
Jmart wrote:
Excel wrote:
BJ wrote:
The best offense of all time made to look retarded by one of the top 5-10 defenses ever. Defense OWNs!
Only idiots think the 2013 Bronco's were the greatest offense of all time.
They were statistically, therefor they kinda were.
That is with no context. The league heavily favors the offense now, much more than in the past. They were not in the same zip code, in terms of efficiency or diversity of talents, as the 2007 Patriots, the 2011 Packers, 1998 Vikings, 1999 - 2001 Rams, et al. The Bronco's rely on picks and screens. That's it. Take those away - the colts did it earlier this year - and they're in huge trouble. They were totally unprepared for the Seahawks and were not capable of adjusting.
Anybody who actually watched the full games knows what I mean. The 2007 Pats were so good at so many different things. The 2011 Packers were the same way. The 1998 Vikings, who in my opinion were the greatest offense ever, had an elite running back in Smith, elite receiver in Carter, cannon armed QB in Cunningham, an all universe offensive line, and the greatest weapon in NFL history named Randy Moss, who nobody had figured out and was completely unstoppable all season long.
The Broncos have...screen passes and pick plays. Running it up on teams n their horrible division is not impressive whatsoever. Any student of the game knew they were in trouble tonight, just as I told everybody two weeks ago.
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Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:45 am
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
Excel wrote:
Jedi Master Carr wrote:
I think the late 80 Niner teams had a better offense than the Broncos, you have Montana, Rice, a great OL, Taylor (very underrated WR), Roger Craig (a great all purpose RB), and a few other great parts. And then you had the old rules. If today's rules were around back then Montana and the Niners would have destroyed those records.
The change of rules is matched by increased talent. Jerry Rice would not be early as effective today as he was in the 1980s,.
I was talking about NFL having these current rules int he 80s. Still, if you don't think Jerry Rice is not the greatest WR ever you are crazy. I saw him play he was amazing, there hasn't been a WR since better than him.
The best offense of all time made to look retarded by one of the top 5-10 defenses ever. Defense OWNs!
Only idiots think the 2013 Bronco's were the greatest offense of all time.
Statistically they are, but no I do not think they were the best offense ever, that rests with the 2007 Patriots for me.
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
Posted this in the water cooler. Thought I'd post it here too.
For anyone interested - Biggest Super Bowl Blowouts
1. Super Bowl XXIV (1990): San Francisco 49ers 55 - Denver Broncos 10 2. Super Bowl XX (1986): Chicago Bears 46 - New England Patriots 10 3. Super Bowl XLVIII (2014): Seattle Seahawks 43 - Denver Broncos 8 -- Super Bowl XXVII (1993): Dallas Cowboys 52 - Buffalo Bills 17 4. Super Bowl XXII (1988): Washington Redskins 42 - Denver Broncos 10
- The Broncos have now been on the wrong side of three Super Bowl blowouts. -- All of these blowouts have come when they've worn orange jerseys. The two wins came wearing blue and white.
- The Broncos have now joined a list (that no one thought they'd appear on) of teams who have scored under 10 points in a Super Bowl.
Super Bowl VI (1972) - Miami Dolphins 3 - Lost 24-3 to the Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl XI (1975) - Minnesota Vikings 6 - Lost 16-6 to the Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl III (1969) - Baltimore Colts 7 - Lost 16-7 to the New York Jets Super Bowl IV (1970) - Minnesota Vikings 7 - Lost 23-7 to the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl VII (1973) - Washington Redskins 7 - Lost 14-7 to the Miami Dolphins Super Bowl VIII (1974) - Minnesota Vikings 7 - Lost 24-7 to the Miami Dolphins Super Bowl XXXV (2000) - New York Giants 7 - Lost 35-7 to the Baltimore Ravens Super Bowl XLVIII (2014) - Denver Broncos 8 - Lost 43-8 to the Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XVIII (1984) - Washington Redskins 9 - Lost 38-9 to the Los Angeles Raiders
Seven teams have scored 10 points. (None of them won) No team has ever been shutout.
- The Broncos now have the most Super Bowl losses with five. (2-5)
- With the loss, Peyton Manning has now moved past Brett Favre for the most losses by a quarterback in the playoffs with 12. (11-12)
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
BJ wrote:
Excel wrote:
BJ wrote:
The best offense of all time made to look retarded by one of the top 5-10 defenses ever. Defense OWNs!
Only idiots think the 2013 Bronco's were the greatest offense of all time.
Statistically they are, but no I do not think they were the best offense ever, that rests with the 2007 Patriots for me.
Think about this for a second:
That said, the 1998 Vikes are still the best. Nobody had a clue how to guard Randy Moss. 19 total touchdowns as a ROOKIE on ~120 targets.
Try not to laugh.
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Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:51 am
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I still go with the 89 Niners they were the best offensive team to win the SB. And they did that before the NFL changed the rules further in the 90s that aided the Vikings, Rams, and the Patriots to be able to dominant offensively.
Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:16 pm
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
Jedi Master Carr wrote:
Excel wrote:
Jedi Master Carr wrote:
I think the late 80 Niner teams had a better offense than the Broncos, you have Montana, Rice, a great OL, Taylor (very underrated WR), Roger Craig (a great all purpose RB), and a few other great parts. And then you had the old rules. If today's rules were around back then Montana and the Niners would have destroyed those records.
The change of rules is matched by increased talent. Jerry Rice would not be early as effective today as he was in the 1980s,.
I was talking about NFL having these current rules int he 80s. Still, if you don't think Jerry Rice is not the greatest WR ever you are crazy. I saw him play he was amazing, there hasn't been a WR since better than him.
Jerry Rice's game does not translate that well to this era where defensive backs are much faster than in the 1980s or 1990s, Deion and Darrell Green withstanding.
Rice would be a very good player, sure. But if you ignore his pedigree and simply compare his skills, I don't think any scout in their right mind would take him over prime Moss, Owens, Harrison, Calvin, or even AJ Green.
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Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:43 pm
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Re: 2013-2014 NFL Discussion
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Seattle D has one of the best SB performances of all time by a defensive units and they are an all time great defensive team...but let's take into account that the Baltimore Ravens defense in 2000 averaged 5.75 ppg allowed in the playoffs over four games. And the Chicago 1985 team averaged 3.33 ppg allowed over three games. Seahawks allowed an average of 13.33 ppg allowed in three games. I'm not ready to call them the greatest ever even though they are certainly top 5.
I would put them probably on par with the 2002 Bucs.
The 1985 Bears scheme would never work in todays pass happy league. The Seahawks defense, considering there is a salary cap and how pass happy the league is, is almost unthinkably good.
5th round picks are not supposed to get you Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor type players. Malcolm Smith a 7th rounder. Chris Clemons was undrafted. Bobby Wagner was a mid 2nd rounder. Earl Thomas and bruce Irvin are the only real high picks.
They Legion of Boom will cement their legacy as one of the greatest defenses units of all time.
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