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stuffp
Keeping it Light
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am Posts: 11242 Location: Bright Falls
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Re: Debate #4
SolC9 wrote: This little fight might help Tulsi a bit, but I don't think it will be enough. It'll be hard to gauge the impact though because most of the people likely to come her side are not polled dems. Her 2 minute video encapsulates what she's about. https://youtu.be/NJ9ofm5y-pQI haven't followed, or don't remember, everything, but can't see anything wrong with Tulsi either.
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Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:06 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23916 Location: Classified
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Re: Debate #4
Mau wrote: Flava'd vs The World wrote: Yeah can Hilary just stop talking publicly for at least the next year? Nothing she says helps and she still hasn’t taken responsibility for letting Trump become president in the first place. How did she let him win? It's not like she was ever gonna get the white straight male vote She didn’t need it. She lost because of the people who stayed home. Hilary needed to inspire about 100,000 more people to vote in 3-4 middle states and she couldn’t do it because nobody likes her. Even those of us that voted for her in 2016 (twice) didn’t feel great about it, there just wasn’t a better choice out there. Russia helped too, but it wasn’t like they had to try very hard.
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:40 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23916 Location: Classified
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Re: Debate #4
stuffp wrote: SolC9 wrote: This little fight might help Tulsi a bit, but I don't think it will be enough. It'll be hard to gauge the impact though because most of the people likely to come her side are not polled dems. Her 2 minute video encapsulates what she's about. https://youtu.be/NJ9ofm5y-pQI haven't followed, or don't remember, everything, but can't see anything wrong with Tulsi either. Hilary called her a Russian asset who was gonna run third party to ruin Warren or Biden’s chances, Ross Perot style.
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:41 pm |
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Mau
100% That Bitch
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:42 pm Posts: 16901 Location: Monterrey, Mexico
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Re: Debate #4
Flava'd vs The World wrote: Mau wrote: Flava'd vs The World wrote: Yeah can Hilary just stop talking publicly for at least the next year? Nothing she says helps and she still hasn’t taken responsibility for letting Trump become president in the first place. How did she let him win? It's not like she was ever gonna get the white straight male vote She didn’t need it. She lost because of the people who stayed home. Hilary needed to inspire about 100,000 more people to vote in 3-4 middle states and she couldn’t do it because nobody likes her. Even those of us that voted for her in 2016 (twice) didn’t feel great about it, there just wasn’t a better choice out there. Russia helped too, but it wasn’t like they had to try very hard. What was she supposed to do if people didn't like her? There was nothing she could do. People not voting should just fuck themselves, it's on them... Not on Hilary
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:04 pm |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 pm Posts: 6665
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Re: Debate #4
Tim Ryan and Beto O'Rourke have dropped out since my last post.
Biden, Sanders, and Warren are the real shots. Buttigieg is the only dark horse?
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:03 pm |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37152 Location: The Graveyard
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Re: Debate #4
Biden performs best against Trump (51-39 percent). He leads by 12 points, garners over 50 percent and keeps Trump below 40 percent. In early October, Biden led by 10 (50-40 percent).
Sanders has an 8-point lead (49-41 percent). Warren’s 5-point advantage over the president (46-41 percent) is within the poll’s margin of sampling error, and Buttigieg and Trump tie (41-41 percent). In a 2016 rematch, Clinton has a 2-point edge (43-41 percent).http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-new ... in-matchupFox News really, really likes to include Hillary in everything at all times, don't they?
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:32 am |
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SolC9
Forum General
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:11 pm Posts: 7172 Location: Wisconsin
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Re: Debate #4
Tulsi just qualified for the debate in two weeks. Debate field looks to be 10 instead of 12 this time. Maybe I'm misreading it, but it seems to me Tulsi's message of coming together to work on our problems rather than adding to the divisiveness between parties is slowly starting to resonate with voters. She's certainly got some momentum at the moment.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:27 pm |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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Re: Debate #4
lol please stop
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:33 pm |
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SolC9
Forum General
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Re: Debate #4
Chippy wrote: lol please stop I.hope asked if Mayor Pete is the only darkhorse. Tulsi is still in the field and has been slowly gaining. For now, I'd say she is also a darkhorse, as is Yang. I don't think anyone else outside the top 4 is on a positive trajectory. Here are my rankings for likelihood to win primary, factoring in polling and recent momentum. Biden/Warren Sanders Buttigieg Gabbard/Yang Klobuchar Harris Steyer Booker This is going to be a pivotal debate for Buttigieg, Gabbard, and Yang. Buttigieg has to maintain his gains and attack the top 3 to draw more supporters. Gabbard will have more eyes on her after the attention from the Hillary spat. If she can use that to her advatage she'll continue to gain. Yang has a dedicated base, but will have to stand out to continue to grow it.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:11 pm |
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Barrabás
llegó a la casa vía marítima
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:53 pm Posts: 6162 Location: la gran casa de la esquina
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Re: Debate #4
Pete should do his best this round but his real shot will come in 2024. I think Trump is winning next year (sorry but the other old farts in the running are either senile or delusionally out of touch and don't stand a chance).
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:36 pm |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
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Re: Debate #4
Pete is the only "dark horse" with a chance. Bernie and Biden aren't suddenly going to gain a ton more supporters. Warren still has that potential.
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:45 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 38266
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Re: Debate #4
I'm sticking with Biden as nominee due to winning the black voters
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:29 am |
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SolC9
Forum General
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:11 pm Posts: 7172 Location: Wisconsin
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Re: Debate #4
Debate tonight. Any predictions? Pete has been surging, but I predict a mediocre performance from him tonight. Other than that I just hope Tulsi does well enough to keep going. I will be watching this one, so I'll rank how I think they did after.
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:10 pm |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 pm Posts: 6665
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Re: Debate #4
I did not watch it but will probably stream it later tonight.
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:05 am |
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SolC9
Forum General
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:11 pm Posts: 7172 Location: Wisconsin
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Re: Debate #4
That was a disappointing debate on many levels. One, Tulsi didn't as well as I wanted her too. She didn't have many opportunities though. Buttigieg did better than I expected. Biden was bad. Harris, my least favorite, did well. Nobody had a great moment that will be remembered a week from now. So, best to worst performances...
1. Buttigieg 2. Klobuchar 3. Harris 4. Booker 5. Sanders 6. Warren 7. Yang 8. Gabbard 9. Steyer 10. Biden
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:34 am |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 pm Posts: 6665
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Re: Debate #4
Harris is dropping out.
Her support averages 4% in the polls. I think Warren stands to benefit most from this.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:19 pm |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 21930 Location: Places
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Re: Democratic Primary 2020
Nobody but the hypocritical ultra-Dems had any love for Harris. Her track record stunk and her campaign was fun of arrogant and nonsensical victim-playing while she was being backed by a billionaire. Trump would have utterly obliterated her. This is a BIG COUNTRY and there are a lot more people in it than those in the Super Dem bubble.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:23 pm |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
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Re: Democratic Primary 2020
People only supported her because she killed it in hearings and would have killed Trump in the debates (or at least the first one). She was always a better VP candidate.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:33 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 38266
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Re: Democratic Primary 2020
Harris campaign has to be one of the biggest flops ever. She was supposed to be the candidate for the Hillary voters and money
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:20 am |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 21930 Location: Places
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Re: Democratic Primary 2020
You know its bad when Tulsi Gabbard kicks your ass. Harris's ridiculous attack on Biden in the first debate came back to bite her as the vast majority began to see it as the symbol of her overall act.
I don't care if it sounds racist or sexist, lets just say it how it is - to MANY people, she comes off as both arrogant ("I'm a top tier candidate, she's a low poller grasping for straws") and yet also the ultimate victim-card player. Even now with her "I'm not a billionaire" excuse. I don't like Bloomberg but he OBVIOUSLY has achieved more than you, Kamala, and in that rewards deserves a chance for his voice to be heard. Also not like Kamala was opposed to billionaire donors.
Sorry Kamala, it isn't that you're black or a woman. Stacy Abrams would dominate. As would Michelle Obama. Oprah. Many woman of color. Kamala's problem was that she was a terribly off-putting communicator who ran a campaign that her made seem fake as hell.
Will be interesting to see the new age racists on display when Biden probably gets the nomination and some openly hold it against him that he is white, as if that theory isn't racist
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:31 am |
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Excel
Superfreak
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Re: Democratic Primary 2020
One dynamic becoming extremely clear over the past few years is the super-educated and borderline know-it-all wing of the Democrats is totally obvious to what appeals to a massive chunk of the electorate. First Trump and now Biden - they're just totally under estimating the appeal these guys have to blue collar types. Also a damn shame Warren seems to have ruined her momentum with her insane championing of medicare for all. Even if she really believes in it, live in reality and recognize what talking about during the primaries will do. Was so predictable that it would backfire. Chippy wrote: People only supported her because she killed it in hearings and would have killed Trump in the debates (or at least the first one). She was always a better VP candidate. I actually think Trump would have wiped the floor with her. It would have been full disrespectful low-blows, but fellow Dems treated her with kid gloves. Even Gabbard though blunt was not insulting. Harris was load with holes from her ridiculous arrogance to constant hypocrisy to endless helpless-victim-playing to her obviously shoddy resume. Liz Warren is the one won would TRULY kick Trump's ass, she's actually been doing it for a few years, but I worry she has blown her chances.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:36 am |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 pm Posts: 6665
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Re: Democratic Primary 2020
I think Harris' campaign lacks a central theme that resonates and warrants repeating on every occasion. She's like throwing darts and being more reactive rather than proactive.
Warren's campaign, on the other hand, is built on a central theme of combating corruption from stopping quid pro quos in ambassadorship to fighting monopolies.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:29 am |
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SolC9
Forum General
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:11 pm Posts: 7172 Location: Wisconsin
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Re: Democratic Primary 2020
With Harris dropping out (happy about that), there are only six qualified for the Dec. 19 debate. Both Yang and Gabbard can qualify with one more qualifying poll of 4+% by Dec. 12. Nobody else is close. With 6-8 participants, maybe there will be some actual debating.
Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Steyer. In.
Maybe Yang and/or Gabbard.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:59 am |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
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Re: Democratic Primary 2020
Steyer and Klobuchar need to drop from that group. Yang and Gabbard shouldn't touch the stage.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:14 am |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23916 Location: Classified
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Re: Democratic Primary 2020
If Yang isn't there it will cause a #DemsSoWhite controversy. He needs to stick around until at least the first few primaries.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:01 pm |
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