I thought that once my friend.

However I learned that it does not matter how old (okay after 1940) and new something is, if it made well it will be respected and admired for all time.

Sure we may consider these old films overrated but there is something in those films that even 30-50-70 years latter make them relevant and popular.

Sure you guys hate or find The Godfather over rated but tell me if it sucks why is it so popular even today...


Sure a film like Vertigo is over 50 years old now, but it is still a beautiful and timeless film even today. I think very few films were as beautifully as that film.


So, I respect good, great film from any time and imo any good lover of cinema should as well.

I think you're wrong. Any film made before 1980 just feels so unevolved in comparison to what came after. Vertigo's a good film - for it's time. But can you honestly say you'd rather watch Vertigo than, say, Rocky IV?

I'm not saying that films before 1980 didn't have things to say that were important, or that they didn't inform modern filmmaking techniques, just that comparing the two is like comparing Dickens to caveman drawings.

nebs can you delete this thread and make sure it never shows up ever again.

I'm not saying that films before 1980 didn't have things to say that were important, or that they didn't inform modern filmmaking techniques, just that comparing the two is like comparing Dickens to caveman drawings.

The Dark Knight will still top, your attempts are futile.

Ehmmm...a joke, right?

Did you just call Hitchcock films Caveman drawings???

Oh please 1984 is better then Children of Men as a vision of our future (talking about the book, Children of Men was a better film of course)


The effect that the book 1984 had on our society is 100000000X greater then Children of Men.


The whole concept of "Big Brother" comes from the book.

Other popular phrases are doublethink, thought police, Telescreen, Ministry Of Love, Room 101, Rats Cage.

How can you love a dark, complicated film like Children of Men and then say that time pass films are better then Hitchcock films???

Quality equals influence in the lexicon and popular culture? GOT IT.

It's objective, obviously, but I believe that filming techniques themselves and the [i]language[i] of film has evolved from decade to decade. To the point that films by Hitchcock et al have become fairly redundant.

Which isn't to say they aren't still relevant, just that they're more relevant as markers for how far we've come in terms of film narrative.

My position is that films like Children of Men are far more challenging intellectually and filmically (if that's even a word) than something like The Birds because they've built on, and improved, the styles and primitive designs of what came before - i.e., Hitchcock, et al.

And Dan Brown versus Dickens? NO CONTEST. Think of all the advatages in typing and printing technologies. Dickens, that bitch, probably wrote by hand and misplaced entire passages 'cause he didn't have a hard drive.

Don't even get me started on the ways Brown utilizes modern slang and stuff...things I know! Dickens, with his old English language rhythms...what a pussy.

Anyway, Snrub, I know you're just pushing buttons. But I also think people's brains do work in such a fashion. Don't encourage them.

In terms of the nuts and bolts of the technology we use? Oh yeah. Advanced.

In terms of storytelling, ingenuity, and all the other stuff that really matters? Nonsense.

And, anyway, what's so superior, entertainment-wise or otherwise-wise, about a bad, heavy take (say, Disturbia) on terrific, sleeker, wittier material (Rear Window)?

Comparing books and film is a bad analogy. Yes modern technology has made the process of writing easier, but the format remains the same. Film is a different entity entirely. It's in early days, still evolving as a language, so the caveman drawing analogy is completely apt.

As to pushing buttons... it's so bloody easy! It feels like i'm being drawn in by the dark side with every post. I don't even agree with 90% of what i've said in the last 5 pages.