Where does everyone stand on Project 2025? I am glad the mainstream media is starting to finally cover this. It is a horrible idea on its surface. Even Trump who’s team came up with it is starting to distance itself from it.

This is kind of like the left's version of what the Klaus Schwab The Great Reset stuff is for right wingers, albeit the latter at least has some legs in terms of billionaires and world leaders connected to it.

The Great Reset is more of a conspiracy theory. Project 2025 is an actual platform whose creators are actually speaking publicly about it.

Show me the official 900 page document, or I’ll probably laugh again.

I’ll just be direct: it means I called Trump’s bluff on his threats. I said I was prepared for whatever he wanted to do, which he would have, with election officials, the courts, the military, the fbi, the police, and intelligence agencies. Well, now he’s rejected that platform officially. He called it “abysmal” (like a child compared to my species, he has no idea). He only intended to carry out his threats if they would help him reach his goals. But the project 2025 blueprint will not, and there’s no going back on that platform or narrative. He didn’t really want to carry out his threats. He hesitated, and would have hesitated again; unlike me, if I wait, it’s calculated.

I literally wasn’t afraid of war if necessary. And I had no doubt the US military would have been completely destroyed more rapidly than anyone would have expected. Much more easily and rapidly than I expected in the past. But I don’t even give him that much credit or take him that seriously.

EDIT: I consider most of Trump’s threats to be strategically neutralized at this point (not that that’s a difficult thing to do). He gained and benefited in no way whatsoever. I consider the “Heritage Foundation”, organizations like it, and what it represents, to be marginalized now as well, and strategically neutralized in essentially every significant way.

Conservatives, or conservatism in general? No. But the “Heritage Foundation”? Yes.

The conspiracy theorists didn't come up with the Great Reset, the globalists meeting at World Economic Forum were genuinely pushing those things and coined the name, I even saw King Charles making videos for them and I heard Trudeau use the words Great Reset, while Biden's Build Back Better is basically just an alt language version of it (as is Harris favorite quote "what can be unburdened by what has been")

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/ ... eat-reset/
https://time.com/collection/great-reset/
https://medium.com/world-economic-forum ... 2eed62f710

Yes like Project 2025 maybe they're overestimating the influence of it, especially post covid when they can't say they need a great reset to rebuild from covid anymore.

An agenda isn’t the same thing as an elaborately organized, planned, and detailed policy proposal. If you hear a few quotes, that may speak to people’s motivations or goals, but it’s just speculative unless it’s organized.

Yes, “Build Back Better” may have been even more grandiose and ambitious than “Project 2025”. It may have represented an even more monumental effort to change America. Certainly at first when they were talking about $6 trillion. Certainly as compared to the “Inflation Reduction Act”. I agree with all that, but you didn’t say that in the second post in this thread, which comes across as “whataboutism”.

Anyway, for anyone worried, I’d recommend rather watching “civil war”, or perhaps something else that may speak to what you’re feeling.

Even with political bias, his best hope at this point for his worst impulses is to get stuck in court, or some other bureaucratic mess. Besides being limited officially, there are also limits to the trust he has, even within the present day Republican Party.

Id never even heard of this till today.

I’ve talked about it quite a few times here.

Vance writing an intro for the book & many from DT's circle being prominently involved makes it impossible to distance from. Yes its not good and will likely be an effective boogeyman.

Trump has just delivered the Dems a golden gift of a speech where he said, verbatim, that if you vote for him now, you won’t have to worry about voting ever again. This is not out of context. He said it over and over again in one of his non-sentence tirades.

The longer clip shows that he's talking about stopping potential for cheating with voter ID and paper ballots making it so they need enough votes to overcome cheating this time, but in four years it'll be fixed. But we'll see if the Democrats are as successful as the Charlottesville clip of cropping out and pretending not to know about the part that negates the meaning.

There’s really no point in arguing Shack lol. Darth and Excel believe Trump is the boogeyman and there’s no convincing them.

Unfortunately you are right, there is no point. If you are on team Trump now after all the objectively bad stuff he’s said and done, then there’s very little point in having this conversation. But it’s worth pointing out.

And Shack thanks for increasing the perspective of what he said in his incoherent word salad. But it does little to change the context of highlighting how abhorrent it is.

Eh, he's not Voldemort. We would never insult the Dark Lord like that. Trump is more like a mix between Lucius Malfoy and Gilderoy Lockhart. He handled covid the exact same way that Fudge handled the return of Voldemort. "Its the new Dumbledore hoax!" Splash in some Littlefinger from a different WB property, "he would happily watch the country burn if it meant he could be king of the ashes." Definitely not who you would want as your leader, but mostly harmless when they don't have any real power. Lets keep it that way. Help us Kamala Kenobi, you're our only hope!

Trump’s spokesman denied it directly on television and claimed the names on the document were not involved.

Again, I don’t trust any of them except to pursue their own interests, but it’s not their official policy or position, and it’s not the message they want to send out or to represent them. Trump obviously didn’t review the document beforehand, and the authors of “Project 2025” obviously have their own agenda and priorities that are different from Donald Trump’s. They may all be Republicans, but Donald Trump’s goals and priorities are not the same things as his official positions and policies as a Republican candidate.

Trump’s options to pursue his worst threats remain extremely limited, and are rapidly diminishing. He has limited powers to force election officials, and courts to do what he wants; he needs Republican support for that, but they didn’t overturn the 2020 election. The same is true of the FBI or the police. He has even less hope with the military because he honestly completely lacks the organizational skills for a successful military coup, or successful assassinations. As for intelligence agencies, he completely and totally lacks the intelligence or skills required to force them to do anything strategically significant and controversial to his opponents (political opponents, or all other potential opponents).

So again, without an official platform he can have temper tantrums, but it won’t produce what he wants for his impulses.

Even coming from "the devil's advocate", the truth in the long run it's better if the US doesn't have more presidents like Trump in my opinion, they need the juice taken out of the whole thing and to have two candidates that are just dry people doing a job like a Carter vs Ford Hufflepuffbowl, and leave the dramatic Trump vs Hillary type battles for the movie screen or sports. The issue is that in the current era removing Trump doesn't make that happen, once you understand that the way the far left is are acting isn't because of him, the relentless pressuring of people ideologically and demanding that people identify with collectivist identity politics blobs like their race and gender is bigger than that. They built up an ocean of derangement and hate for Trump despite how the #1 easiest fuel to make people hate Republicans is the anti LGBT angle and they could never really made anything stick there. You replace him with DeSantis and for everything you lose that makes Trump an easier target like his mouth and mean tweets, you get some ways he's easier to fear monger about in that he's trying to ban LGBT stuff in schools and signed a 6 week abortion ban, plus a more serious personality in some ways is easier to make scary. In the end you get the same end result of well meaning center leftists manipulated by the news and far left into thinking they have to stop DeSantis or else he's going to end democracy, have nation wide abortion ban and make it become illegal to be gay or trans or something. So Trump despite making politics more sensationalist and tabloid-y which has its downsides, it was kind of necessary in this era because by being such a big target it unmasks what's going on, and has helped conservatives be more brave standing up to the BS. If the left chills out then so will the right in my opinion and return to Nikki Haley type politicians.

Biden was about the most boring guy to run. That’s what we all wanted and probably why he won in 2020.

Agreed. Kamala isn’t boring, she has the charisma vacuum unlikable disingenuous quality that Hillary had, but clearly even less intelligent

I don't see DT (or any politician, other than maybe Bernie Sanders to a degree) as the boogeyman. I certainly lean left but feel I am pretty impartial with my analysis, no different than sizing up my favorite sports teams chances against the competition.

DT is an exceptionally flawed candidate, it is what it is, pointing this out to someone who doesn't see it says less about me as a hater than it does about the blinders that person is wearing.

Democrats won the race to removing the blinders on the flaws of their candidate, we will see if it pays off.

Hillary was ice cold and a decades-long built in reputation that was unshakeable. Harris is much less defined (there are pros and cons to this) and also comes off much warmer.

And, this is always overlooked, but Hillary Clinton would have been President 2016-2024 if arrogant Dems - including her- had not taken the election for granted by staying home on Election Day or opting to not campaign in the "blue wall" states. DT did not win because he was so popular or the lead of some movement, he won because Hillary ran a horrific campaign in every way.

I didn’t say Kamala would lose like Hillary, just that based on her personality and history of gaffes she is likely to/could make all the same mistakes she did.

Harris is still in her honeymoon period. All of her supposed enthusiasm is that the candidate is no longer Biden, not that she is such a great candidate herself.