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Algren
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
Ooh, DP07 is here with his tin foil hat. ![Roll :roll:](./images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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DP07
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
Algren wrote: Shack wrote: Anything with likes and followers is probably going to have the same impact on people making them desperate for it, TikTok is just one of many. Sorry, but anyone that says things like this just does not get the crux of the TikTok issue. Nor do you or the “State in Washington DC”. They are emotional politicians who lack the ability to make objective, impartial, rational, or even good or competent decisions about these issues. If you fail to recognize that, you are the same, or you are naive, gullible, selfish, shortsighted, complicit, or worse.
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DP07
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
Algren wrote: Ooh, DP07 is here with his tin foil hat. ![Roll :roll:](./images/smilies/rolleyes.gif) Shut up, your don’t understand anything I talk about. Your perspective is irrelevant in reality except to the extent it can cause you to make bad decisions and waste time. Your feelings about what is normal or realistic (or induction generally) is not a legitimate, meaningful, substantial, reliable, valid, dependable, clear, or even consequential guide to reality. You guys just just hypocritically project based on bad assumptions and emotion.
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Algren
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
I agree that politicians make bad decisions a lot of the time, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Here, with this issue, they're right to want to ban TikTok.
They might not get their way since the Democrats are up for election again soon and that might hurt their prospects if a ban happened before. But one can dream.
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Algren
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
Ooh, DP07's busted out the thesaurus, lol.
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DP07
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Talk about conspiratorial thinking: the politicians were not even interested in evidence. They just refused to believe anything besides their paranoid fears about their enemy. They didn’t care what he said, they only perceive hostile threats because they can’t trust the evidence, reality, or the relevance of his claims, they only trust people like themselves.
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DP07
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
Algren wrote: I agree that politicians make bad decisions a lot of the time, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Here, with this issue, they're right to want to ban TikTok.
They might not get their way since the Democrats are up for election again soon and that might hurt their prospects if a ban happened before. But one can dream. “A broken clock is right twice a day”… You know that even if a broken clock is right, you can’t even use it to tell the time, because you couldn’t know it to be right without an accurate and working clock?
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Algren
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
DP07 wrote: Talk about conspiratorial thinking: the politicians were not even interested in evidence. They just refused to believe anything besides their paranoid fears about their enemy. They didn’t care what he said, they only perceive hostile threats because they can’t trust the evidence, reality, or the relevance of his claims, they only trust people like themselves. Maybe they know the game better than you do. They already know who to trust and who's right, and the hearing wasn't about evidence, lol. How naive are you?!
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DP07
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
Algren wrote: Ooh, DP07's busted out the thesaurus, lol. Hehe, none of those words are even esoteric.
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Algren
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
DP07 wrote: Algren wrote: Ooh, DP07's busted out the thesaurus, lol. Hehe, none of those words are even esoteric. Precisely ![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/winks.gif)
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DP07
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
Algren wrote: DP07 wrote: Talk about conspiratorial thinking: the politicians were not even interested in evidence. They just refused to believe anything besides their paranoid fears about their enemy. They didn’t care what he said, they only perceive hostile threats because they can’t trust the evidence, reality, or the relevance of his claims, they only trust people like themselves. Maybe they know the game better than you do. They already know who to trust and who's right, and the hearing wasn't about evidence, lol. How naive are you?! That’s classic. ![Funny :funny:](./images/smilies/funy.gif) That’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. The hearing should be about evidence if they are interested in making good decisions and considering relevant information. It was not of course; the hearing was about them trying to validate their emotions, assumptions, attitudes, and beliefs so they can try to feel better about themselves and what they want. That’s normal for something like Tik Tok, but it’s not good for important decision making. So, now it’s obvious you are naive and hypocritical.
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Shack
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Algren wrote: Shack wrote: Algren wrote: Shack wrote: Anything with likes and followers is probably going to have the same impact on people making them desperate for it, TikTok is just one of many. Sorry, but anyone that says things like this just does not get the crux of the TikTok issue. I was referring to more of zwackerm and Barrabis comments about its negative impact on people (besides the possible China spying) OK. Fair enough. Though I would say that even limiting the issue to its addictiveness, TikTok is far more addictive than Facebook, Twitter, etc. The algorithm is quite unique, and not even western platforms have something as lucrative in gaining addicts as TikTok does, which makes TikTok far more damaging from that perspective, but exponentially so when twinned with its spread of Chinese influence and propaganda, not to mention all the other safety concerns that the app does not address. All of the security concerns regarding TikTok are intertwined. They all have different weak points psychologically imo Twitter makes people act in mobs/packs the most and makes people act in a way where they have to be loud for their tweet to stand out Instagram is shallow and makes every half decent looking girl think they need to be a thirst trap and self conscious comparing themselves to others Facebook has a powerful fear factor which is someone you know or like in real life unfriending you and the threat of it intimidating you. eg Any conservative who knows Chippy in real life probably knows they would get unfriended if they post right wing stuff. Reddit just seems bad for individuals. No avatars etc, and huge number of users, most people barely read the name. All have incentive to post something fake that gets likes over something honest that doesn’t.
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DP07
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
Algren wrote: Shack wrote: Algren wrote: Shack wrote: Anything with likes and followers is probably going to have the same impact on people making them desperate for it, TikTok is just one of many. Sorry, but anyone that says things like this just does not get the crux of the TikTok issue. I was referring to more of zwackerm and Barrabis comments about its negative impact on people (besides the possible China spying) OK. Fair enough. Though I would say that even limiting the issue to its addictiveness, TikTok is far more addictive than Facebook, Twitter, etc. The algorithm is quite unique, and not even western platforms have something as lucrative in gaining addicts as TikTok does, which makes TikTok far more damaging from that perspective, but exponentially so when twinned with its spread of Chinese influence and propaganda, not to mention all the other safety concerns that the app does not address. All of the security concerns regarding TikTok are intertwined. You’re an idiot. Everything you say is pure hypocrisy regarding Washington DC, which is a bigger security threat from any objective or impartial standpoint.
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DP07
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Algren wrote: Yes, the Insta-Facebook algorithms are quite basic. Not to say that I could write it - far from it - but to "get" it and "get" what triggers it, it's nothing like TikTok, and therefore it's far less addictive, because people get bored quickly with a regurgitation of panda videos, for example. This is also the case with YouTube. But, I don't know about you, I like the simplicity with those platforms because I can control what I'm shown just by being selecting with what I watch. No, “A.I.” “experts” don’t understand this, but these programs develop a relationship with you. If you are predictable enough, they are not interested in spending their time, effort, or energy trying to better understand you.
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DP07
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![Post Post](./styles/serene/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) Re: Ban TikTok, yes or no?
Shack wrote: Algren wrote: Shack wrote: Algren wrote: Shack wrote: Anything with likes and followers is probably going to have the same impact on people making them desperate for it, TikTok is just one of many. Sorry, but anyone that says things like this just does not get the crux of the TikTok issue. I was referring to more of zwackerm and Barrabis comments about its negative impact on people (besides the possible China spying) OK. Fair enough. Though I would say that even limiting the issue to its addictiveness, TikTok is far more addictive than Facebook, Twitter, etc. The algorithm is quite unique, and not even western platforms have something as lucrative in gaining addicts as TikTok does, which makes TikTok far more damaging from that perspective, but exponentially so when twinned with its spread of Chinese influence and propaganda, not to mention all the other safety concerns that the app does not address. All of the security concerns regarding TikTok are intertwined. They all have different weak points psychologically imo Twitter makes people act in mobs/packs the most and makes people act in a way where they have to be loud for their tweet to stand out Instagram is shallow and makes every half decent looking girl think they need to be a thirst trap and self conscious comparing themselves to others Facebook has a powerful fear factor which is someone you know or like in real life unfriending you and the threat of it intimidating you. eg Any conservative who knows Chippy in real life probably knows they would get unfriended if they post right wing stuff. Reddit just seems bad for individuals. No avatars etc, and huge number of users, most people barely read the name. All have incentive to post something fake that gets likes over something honest that doesn’t. Each serves different purposes. Anyway, yeah, politics and fake claims that get likes can get attention that honesty might not, but think of supply and demand, if you were to make an analogy, the price of popular nonsense is “dirt cheap”; it’s fleeting and is easily forgotten.
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Shack
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I read the "Restrict Act" and the language is so broad that it seems like the government could use it control anything they want on the internet by labelling it national security related. Tik Tok would just be the excuse, but it's probably not quite a good enough one, what they really need is an internet related national emergency that they can then use to justify giving them more power.
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Algren
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It's a first draft, ffs. These acts go through multiple iterations.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Yeah, as is if DeSantis got in power, anything that was deemed to be aimed towards kids and mentions gay people would be banned under the pretext of grooming children
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Algren
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As Austria have just announced a ban of TikTok on all government devices, I want to make a list of all the current bans:
Countrywide: Afghanistan China India Iran
Government/Parliament/MOD devices: Australia Austria *NEW* Belgium Canada Denmark Estonia European Union France Ireland (advisory) Latvia The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Taiwan United Kingdom (+BBC staffers) United States
The most interesting ban is that of the state of Montana. They have passed legislation for an outright ban, but whether it will be signed into law is another thing altogether. Fingers crossed, and if it is then it will come into effect in January 2024.
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Eh... it might be surprising that Montana is first, but these GOP states with super-majorities in the House/Senate that can even override their Governor (if they would happen to veto) have been on a banning spree of all sorts of things over the past year (other elected members included). They're pretty power-hungry, to say the least. In general, super-majorities are bad, as the fewer states with DEM super-majorities do some dumb things too.
Not to say banning TikTok is ridiculous or anything. I've never used it at all and don't know much about it beyond its huge popularity and potential security risks. It's just that US state governments are getting very... "we do what we want."
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Algren
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BREAKING NEWS!Quote: Montana is set to become the first US state to ban Chinese-owned media giant TikTok from personal devices.
Governor Greg Gianforte signed the ban into law on Wednesday. It is due to take effect on 1 January.
The video-sharing platform says the ban "infringes on the First Amendment rights of the people of Montana". --------------------- Countrywide:Afghanistan China India Iran United States (Montana only, effective Jan 1 2024) Government/Parliament/MOD devices:Australia Austria *NEW*Belgium Canada Denmark Estonia European Union France Ireland (advisory) Latvia The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Taiwan United Kingdom (+BBC staffers) United States
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I do not think banning Tik Tok infringes on the first amendment because the user are not the ones being punished but rather the company that deals in giving secrets to the Chinese government.
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Algren
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I think they are referring to the freedom of speech part of the first amendment. TikTok supresses voices critical of the Chinese government but boosts those in support of it.
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The question of whether to ban TikTok is a hot topic these days. While concerns about data privacy and potential ties to the Chinese government are valid, I don't think an outright ban is a solution. TikTok can actually be a platform for creativity, entertainment, and connecting with others worldwide. I was browsing online and came across a website where you can buy cheap TikTok likes. It made me realize how influential this app has become in boosting popularity and reaching a wider audience. It's interesting to see how social media platforms like TikTok can shape trends and empower individuals.
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EmilyRussell wrote: The question of whether to ban TikTok is a hot topic these days. While concerns about data privacy and potential ties to the Chinese government are valid, I don't think an outright ban is a solution. TikTok can actually be a platform for creativity, entertainment, and connecting with others worldwide. Solution: another similar platform that isn’t connected to a draconian foreign government
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