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AOC and other dems propose and vote for legislation that benefits people other than themselves.

Republicans do not.

Maybe the Dems are still selfish pricks on the inside, maybe not. But they mostly use their political power to help the poor and disenfranchised. And they listen to science and medical experts rather than base their policies around their own hunches.

And Trump did say very fine people on both sides. Just like he said "black people should remember their history or risk going back to it." His opponents don't need to twist his words because they are awful from the second they come out of his mouth. His supporters meanwhile continue to say "I know he said that, but what he meant was..."

At the start of the year there was an argument to be made that a strong economy was more important than issues like social equality, scientific progress, immigrant protection, having our key allies be European democracies rather than Asian dictatorships, etc... Now the economy is shit. Any piece of scientific evidence that disputes Trump's hunches is dismissed as fake news. Instead of building a wall to keep out immigrants, Trump had turned Americans into the dirty and diseased foreigners that are banned from the rest of the world. And now he's sending secret police to put political dissenters into unmarked vans. How could anything that Joe Biden could do make the country worse than it is now?


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Flava’d really has drunk the Kool Aid.


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t (and sickeningly, most of the money didn’t even go to the people who needed it, a lot of it went to Pelosi’s Wall Street funds, hedge fund who didn’t even shut down etc.),
LOL that was a republican written bill and Pelosi took a ton of heat for delaying it to make sure more money went to poor people instead of giant corporations. What are you talking about bro?


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zwackerm wrote:
Flava’d really has drunk the Kool Aid.
Speaking of, I found this to be an interesting read.

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-am ... edictions/

Obviously not much of a bible man myself but it is pretty eery.


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If you think this mentally ill man who needs far more professional and medical help than he's receiving, who today said Harriet Tubman "didn't actually free the slaves but sold them to other white people," is going to get black voters to vote for him...

...you're probably a Trump supporter.

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1284988096870862850


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If you think this mentally ill man who needs far more professional and medical help than he's receiving, who today said Harriet Tubman "didn't actually free the slaves but sold them to other white people," is going to get black voters to vote for him...

...you're probably a Trump supporter.

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1284988096870862850

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He wants to stop abortions by giving everyone who has a baby a million dollars :lol:

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Why is Libs back lol thought this place was too toxic for you?


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zwackerm wrote:
Why is Libs back lol thought this place was too toxic for you?


What can I say? 4 months of quarantine has increased my boredom and my free time.

I'm not "back," though. Posting once every couple of months doesn't really qualify, I'd think, lol.


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zwackerm wrote:
Why is Libs back lol thought this place was too toxic for you?


What can I say? 4 months of quarantine has increased my boredom and my free time.

I'm not "back," though. Posting once every couple of months doesn't really qualify, I'd think, lol.


It’s funny how people act like posting here is an all or nothing type of thing. If you post here at all, you’re back. You don’t have to post 10x a day for it to count.


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Slavery is freedom!

Blacks for Trump!

Whites for Kanye!


Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:24 pm
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zwackerm wrote:
Flava’d really has drunk the Kool Aid.


Yeah, such a spoiled brat, for thinking some politicians actually care about the people and good government policies can help better people's lives.


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AOC is definitely not a good example of politicians who care about the people lol.


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All politicians care about their people, if they didn't they wouldn't be politicians and in the process they're trying to convert people who are not their people with their policies. But people with a certain mindset are just hard to convert to another, it's some kind of innate thing I guess. Politics is just like a religion.


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All politicians care about their people, if they didn't they wouldn't be politicians and in the process they're trying to convert people who are not their people with their policies. But people with a certain mindset are just hard to convert to another, it's some kind of innate thing I guess. Politics is just like a religion.


No, not all. Some are corrupt. For example, the Republican leadership in Ohio legislature is in it for themselves and their "donors". They do not want good governance to be in their way.

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Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder and four colleagues were arrested by federal officials Tuesday as part of a bribery investigation involving the state’s $1 billion nuclear plant bailout and Householder’s maneuverings to secure support to lead the legislative chamber.

Householder, 61, R-Glenford, is charged in the alleged racketeering conspiracy involving the funneling of energy company funds through Generation Now, a dark money group formed by a longtime associate.

Some of the proceeds allegedly were used to back the campaigns of legislative candidates supportive of Householder’s run for speaker and to personally enrich Householder.

The felony carries a potential sentence of up to 20 years in prison.

U.S. Attorney Dave DeVillers called the case “likely the largest bribery, money-laundering scheme ever perpetrated against the people of Ohio.”

Also arrested Tuesday as part of the alleged conspiracy were:

‒ Matthew Borges, 48, of Bexley, the former chairman of the Ohio Republican Party and a lobbyist.

‒ Jeffrey Longstreth, 44, of Columbus, a longtime campaign and political strategist for Householder.

‒ Neil Clark, 67, of Columbus, a lobbyist who owns Grant Street Consultants.

‒ Juan Cespedes, 40, of Columbus, a lobbyist.

Generation Now also was charged.

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An 82-page criminal complaint alleges Generation Now received about $60 million in exchange for Householder and other’s help in the passage of House Bill 6 and the blocking of a ballot initiative to overturn the legislation.

The redacted criminal complaint was unsealed early Tuesday afternoon.

Householder played a pivotal role last year in the passage of the controversial bill — now in law — to give FirstEnergy Solutions, of Akron, a $1 billion ratepayer bailout of its pair of nuclear power plants along Lake Erie.

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stuffp wrote:
All politicians care about their people, if they didn't they wouldn't be politicians and in the process they're trying to convert people who are not their people with their policies. But people with a certain mindset are just hard to convert to another, it's some kind of innate thing I guess. Politics is just like a religion.

Politicians in concept are supposed to care about their people, but both Democrats and Republicans that are in power are in it just for that, the power and the money. This is proven by how little actually gets done by either party while in office. Neither side lets legislation pass if it will weaken their sides influence, no matter how good a piece of legislation may be and how much it may help people.


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zwackerm wrote:
stuffp wrote:
All politicians care about their people, if they didn't they wouldn't be politicians and in the process they're trying to convert people who are not their people with their policies. But people with a certain mindset are just hard to convert to another, it's some kind of innate thing I guess. Politics is just like a religion.

Politicians in concept are supposed to care about their people, but both Democrats and Republicans that are in power are in it just for that, the power and the money. This is proven by how little actually gets done by either party while in office. Neither side lets legislation pass if it will weaken their sides influence, no matter how good a piece of legislation may be and how much it may help people.


There is something that can be done about that. It's called campaign finance disclosure. Put transparency laws in place so we are able to hold public officials accountable. Democrats in Congress have introduced the DISCLOSE act that would do just that. Please push Republicans to do the same.

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The Democracy Is Strengthened by Casting Light On Spending in Elections Act or DISCLOSE Act is a federal campaign finance reform bill that has been introduced in the United States Congress since 2010. The bill would amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to provide for greater and faster public disclosure of campaign spending and to combat the use of "dark money" in U.S. elections (which increased from $69 million in 2008 to $310 million in 2012).

The DISCLOSE Act passed the House of Representatives in June 2010 on a 219–206 vote, but was defeated in the Senate following a successful Republican filibuster; after cloture motions in July 2010 and September 2010 resulted in 57–41 and 59–39 votes, respectively, failing to obtain the necessary 60 votes to advance. Senate and House Democrats, such as Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, have re-introduced variants of the DISCLOSE Act to each succeeding Congress since 2010. An unsuccessful 2014 version of the bill was sponsored by 50 Senate Democrats. In 2019, the DISCLOSE Act requirements were incorporated into the broader For the People Act (H.R. 1), which passed the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives on a party-line 234–193 vote, and has not advanced in the Republican-controlled Senate.




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DISCLOSE Act Background

Election spending has exploded in the United States since the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision. Citizens United and subsequent Supreme Court rulings permit super PACs and certain types of tax-exempt groups to spend unlimited sums in elections. Many of those groups are not required to disclose their donors, allowing wealthy corporations and individuals to spend unlimited, undisclosed – or “dark” – money without being tied to the television attack ads and other electioneering activity the groups carry out.

The result is unprecedented levels of dark money spending and a midterm election expected to be the most expensive ever. Outside groups have already spent $154 million this cycle, and super PACs alone have raised $433 million. The network of political spending organizations funded and controlled by the Kochs has announced it will spend over $400 million in the 2018 midterms. House Speaker Paul Ryan’s political fundraising group recently received $24.6 million from a single anonymous donor. In all, experts expect 2018 spending to exceed the $3.8 billion spent during the 2014 midterms.

The DISCLOSE Act of 2018 takes a number of steps to ensure disclosure of dark money spending. Among those steps is a requirement for organizations spending money in elections – including super PACs and certain nonprofit groups – to disclose promptly donors who have given $10,000 or more during an election cycle. The bill includes robust transfer provisions to prevent political operatives from using layers of shell corporations and front groups to hide donor identities. Among new features of the bill is a “stand by your ad” provision requiring corporations, unions, and other organizations to identify those behind political ads – including disclosing an organization’s top five funders at the end of television ads.

The bill protects against foreign spending in American elections. Under current law, foreign nationals and foreign corporations are prohibited from engaging in any election spending. However, domestic companies with significant foreign ownership are not subject to the same restrictions, and dark money channels are available to foreign interests. The DISCLOSE Act would prohibit domestic corporations with significant foreign control, ownership, or direction from spending money in U.S. elections.

The bill also includes provisions to crack down on shell corporations by requiring companies spending money in elections to disclose their true owners, so election officials and the public know who is behind the spending.

Members of both parties long supported campaign finance disclosure prior to Citizens United. In 2003, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told NPR spending in elections should be “limited and disclosed” so that “everyone knows who’s supporting everyone else.”

Conservative judges have concurred. “Requiring people to stand up in public for their political acts fosters civic courage, without which democracy is doomed,” wrote Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia in 2010. “For my part, I do not look forward to a society which, thanks to the Supreme Court, campaigns anonymously . . . hidden from public scrutiny and protected from the accountability of criticism. This does not resemble the Home of the Brave.”

According to a bipartisan poll commissioned by the George W. Bush Institute, more than three in four Americans think that “the laws enacted by our national government these days mostly reflect what powerful special interests and their lobbyists want.” The survey found that 55 percent of Americans see democracy as “weak” and 68 percent believe it is “getting weaker.”

Whitehouse has introduced the DISCLOSE Act in every Congress since 2012.


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In capitalism, people are greedy but the incentive is to treat customers well, hence making your business more popular. Wall Street for example would work perfectly if it was left alone, financial businesses that act in a trustworthy way with people's money become popular, ones that make bad deals and are criminals ruin their reputation and go out of business. It's only when the government intervened with them that it allowed them to make bad deals and get away with it.

In politics, people can greedy but there’s no incentive to treat people well. The incentive should be getting re-elected, but keeping people poor and then telling them they need even more government to survive works just as well as actually helping them - breaking their legs and then making themselves the crutch. Plus you can win votes by propaganda alone.

That’s why I trust politicians less than private business. Both attract power hungry sociopathic people but it's easier for politicians to get away with hurting people and get away with it. You only need to win an election every few years, while a business has to be on their toes as they can be ruined overnight if they stop serving the people.

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Funny that Taylor Swift is purposely releasing her album on same day as Kanye's to block him from #1. Would like to see 2024 election (she will turn 35 by December 2024) be Taylor Swift vs Kanye.


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Looks like he will be on the ballot in key states like Wisconsin and Colorado

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A Trump associate and a Republican operative have jumped ship to help Kayne's election bid.

Kayne is a good replacement. Trump supporters take cue.


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