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| Author: | Shack [ Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
Excel wrote: I have to imagine the rate at gen z is voting dem is horrifying GOP internally. It is an even larger rate the millennial went for O. https://www.npr.org/2023/02/06/11541725 ... est-voters Young people have always voted left wing but Gen Z's may be elevated because they are woke which is a unique psychological event/fad. Ultimately though even in the next year and a half it's plausible things could change, Spiderman No Way Home was released about 16 months ago and in that time and the release of Ant Man 3 and Shazam 2 the superhero era has passed the hill and lost something juice wise imo, while it's based on a small sample size of two movies I think most of us can feel it gut wise that something has shifted. Likewise by a year and a half from now the woke era could pass the hill and if not, then Republicans just have to suck it up and wait for it to happen by 2028. |
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| Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
I think the anti-woke movement bolstered DeSantis, but the amount folks like DeSantis have swung so far socially right has kinda led the GOP to shoot themselves in the foot when a more moderate route ala Youngkin would have been the better route. |
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| Author: | Shack [ Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
Biden's proposal on trans sports is pretty reasonable honestly saying that they have the choice to ban it for the high level serious athletics and not lose federal funding, but if conservatives schools start banning 12 year old trans girls from playing soccer or something just to prove a political point, it will be crossing a line and they will not be receiving the funding. |
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| Author: | Flava'd vs The World [ Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
People are already sick of the woke movement since its mostly been taken over by idiots who have perverted the original intention of equality into some shit called equity which is basically just Racism 2.0. However, Generation TikTok does not see this as a trend. They see tolerance and inclusivity for everyone as the defining political issue of their era. The Republicans will never win these people over without giving up on MAGA, but they'll also never win another general election without MAGA. Thus why they are going so hard on the voter suppression laws. It's the only chance they have for the future. They're in a tough spot but it's one they put themselves in just to stop Hilary Clinton. |
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| Author: | Algren [ Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
Couldn't they win if they become Republican in name only? I'm sure a ton of swing voters and moderates would side with Republicans if they completely removed themselves from anything Trumpish, and generally just acted like a mature nuts and bolts political party. |
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| Author: | Algren [ Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
Shack wrote: Biden's proposal on trans sports is pretty reasonable honestly saying that they have the choice to ban it for the high level serious athletics and not lose federal funding, but if conservatives schools start banning 12 year old trans girls from playing soccer or something just to prove a political point, it will be crossing a line and they will not be receiving the funding. But what happens when that 12 year old grows up and wants to compete professionally? If there's no place for them that will also be wrong. So I think it's more than just proving a point. You do it to deter such issues later on, no? |
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| Author: | Shack [ Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
The real worst version of the Republicans the Bush era didn’t inspire as much hate in the time as Maga but in the long run may have caused the people who grew up in that time to go so hard left, the opposite may be true now where Gen Z may respect some things about Trump era Republicans positions in the long run more than they’re being told to now and end up with a softer moderate stance overall. Although since this is the worst version of the Democrats, the same principle would suggest the next generation of conservatives could have deep rooted anger and resentment towards the left. |
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| Author: | Libs [ Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
Darth Indiana Bond wrote: I think the anti-woke movement bolstered DeSantis, but the amount folks like DeSantis have swung so far socially right has kinda led the GOP to shoot themselves in the foot when a more moderate route ala Youngkin would have been the better route. As one of his constituents, Youngkin is not a moderate. |
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| Author: | Libs [ Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
Darth Indiana Bond wrote: I think the anti-woke movement bolstered DeSantis, but the amount folks like DeSantis have swung so far socially right has kinda led the GOP to shoot themselves in the foot when a more moderate route ala Youngkin would have been the better route. As one of his constituents, Youngkin is not a moderate. Shack wrote: The real worst version of the Republicans the Bush era didn’t inspire as much hate in the time as Maga but in the long run may have caused the people who grew up in that time to go so hard left, the opposite may be true now where Gen Z may respect some things about Trump era Republicans positions in the long run more than they’re being told to now and end up with a softer moderate stance overall. Sounds like wishful thinking on your part tbh |
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| Author: | Shack [ Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
Youngkin is moderate like Biden is moderate - neither are really, the real moderates are ones stuck in middle of Democrat and Republican views like Sinema and Romney, while Biden and Youngkin are clear D/clear R, but they’re moderate “for their party” and more than AOC or MTG. |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
I think when most people think of “moderate” they think of personality and how they package themselves more than the actual policies. This is why Doug Ducey and Brian Kemp win Georgia and Arizona but Trump loses them, despite being as or more right wing. You appeal to moderates by appearing effective and a capable leader. If moderates were partisan enough to care about how moderate someone’s policies were, they’d register as an R or D This is why Desantis polls better with moderates and registered Democrats than Trump does. Even though his policies are more conservative |
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| Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
zwackerm wrote: I think when most people think of “moderate” they think of personality and how they package themselves more than the actual policies. This is why Doug Ducey and Brian Kemp win Georgia and Arizona but Trump loses them, despite being as or more right wing. You appeal to moderates by appearing effective and a capable leader. If moderates were partisan enough to care about how moderate someone’s policies were, they’d register as an R or D This is why Desantis polls better with moderates and registered Democrats than Trump does. Even though his policies are more conservative This is all actually a good point |
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| Author: | Cynosure [ Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/ ... 1789065217 DeSantis beats Biden in North-Carolina, Pennsylvania and Arizona, Trump loses in all three. |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
I’m skeptical Trump would lose NC, as he was behind in polling there in 2020 and still came out ahead, but yeah, it is Biden’s to lose if Trump is the nominee |
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| Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
The unforeseen reality of DeSantis winning the nomination is a Trump running as an independent |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
I think even Trump would realize what a waste of time it would be to split the Republican vote like that if he doesn’t have the party nomination |
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| Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
You seriously think Trump cares about he GOP? |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
Darth Indiana Bond wrote: You seriously think Trump cares about he GOP? No moreso that he wouldn’t waste his own time and money. Obviously he doesn’t care about anyone but himself or he’d withdraw from the race. |
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| Author: | DP07 [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
“Moderate” “extremist” are completely relative, subjective, insubstantial, almost arbitrary, inconsequential, and meaningless terms. It’s no different in any objective way than anything you would consider “tribal”. |
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| Author: | Flava'd vs The World [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
zwackerm wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: You seriously think Trump cares about he GOP? No moreso that he wouldn’t waste his own time and money. Obviously he doesn’t care about anyone but himself or he’d withdraw from the race. |
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| Author: | Shack [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
RFK Jr is saying some good things. Hopefully he at least gets into debate with Biden. |
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| Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
RFK would be interesting as he would be someone to pull in some old Democrats who might have voted GOP in the last few election cycles. |
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| Author: | Shack [ Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
So "buy my books" Marianne Williamson is the 2024 Berniebro candidate? Feels like a punt until AOC in 2028. |
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| Author: | Flava'd vs The World [ Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
I long for the AOC presidency but I'm starting to worry that MTJ will beat her to the white house. Marjorie basically runs the party ever since McCarthy sacrificed his balls to win the speakership. Pretty telling that they think someone who believes the jews control the weather is on the same level of crazy as someone who believes the government could be doing more to help poor people. |
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| Author: | Flava'd vs The World [ Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back |
Welp Biden is coming back for a sequel. I'm kinda surprised. I think he will beat Trump (though I fear for what happens after. Trump doesn't go down quietly) but would lose to Desantis. |
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