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The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back
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Author:  Shack [ Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:29 pm ]
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This was one of the best threads explaining many Trump supporters current view
Author:  lilmac [ Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:49 pm ]
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Great thread.

To be honest, I feel increasingly marginalized. In fact, I had to go on page 8 of my Google search results to dig up a right-leaning article from the past. It’s indicative of a wider trend. Those that control social media and traditional media outlets tend to be on the left and are using their platforms to reframe what is acceptable, normal, tolerated, and what can be voiced. They are using their weight, influence and bully pulpit to silence social conservatives (like myself), religious Right, traditional conservatives, and even libertarians. They are helped by ‘the mob’ on FB/Redditors/Twitter/forums like BOT, who tend to be liberal (and loud). We conservatives are definitely on an island which doesn’t mean that the left is winning the War for America’s Zeitgeist. America will fracture before that happens. We are no better. If we (conservatives) were in power, we’d probably wield influence in the same way and ‘cancel’ liberal voices when and where we could.
Author:  Shack [ Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:39 am ]
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Glad to see Biden say this instead of being afraid of alienating voters
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:52 pm ]
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Other than Bernie, I don’t think anyone supports communism. It obviously doesn’t work as it was intended to, and even if it did that would suck too.

Pubs label anyone a communist so long as they dare to think “the lives of Americans can be better.”
Author:  Shack [ Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:08 pm ]
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CRT, BLM, Antifa, etc are full of genuine commies and the Squad arguably are

However the people with real power are not, they are more like oligarchs stringing along Marxists to get what they want which is likely more power for the wealthy elitists. The US is in danger of becoming China 2.0 (fascist in reality) more than Cuba
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:15 pm ]
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I've been saying for months that Republicans are trying to turn America into China. They love massive wealth gaps, persecuting muslims and keeping their people in line with a strong sense of nationlistic pride/fear of foreigners. If they succeed in their dismantling of democracy then they'll basically have their Cino Utopia on the other side of the pacific.

Their voter suppression bills will be equaled out by Delta variant running through their unvaccinated voters though. Both sides will have about 10 million fewer voters, for different reasons, but the result should stay in 2024 (with another attempted coup to go along with it) unless Kamala runs cause nobody really likes her. We need Stacey or some advancement in anti-aging tech!
Author:  Shack [ Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:09 pm ]
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It's clear the Democrats are the more Big Brother-y one with their attempt to coordinate with Facebook to eliminate "misinformation"
Author:  stuffp [ Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:51 am ]
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I don't think neither is more China politically, I feel they are their own animal which both are still far away from.
But, with both the left and the right there is a stigma of extremes that is hurting the GP. The left really drives through the cancel culture and minority pandering to an unhealthy extent, but the right acts to rather have everyone lose than any kind of win being booked by the left.
Author:  BK [ Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:59 pm ]
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Do you guys really think that America is a true democracy?

And I really don't understand why you defend your healthcare system. The costs of 'socialized' healthcare are cheaper than the administrative insurance monstrosity you're all enabling and supporting.

And that doesn't even begin to cover the amount of shit your massive corporations get up to both domestically and worldwide. You put up with forever chemicals and all kinds of cancerous, poisonous shit because of profits for corporations. What is in it for you?

A finite world cannot support infinite growth.
Author:  zwackerm [ Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:13 pm ]
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America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
Author:  lilmac [ Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:03 pm ]
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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
I've been saying for months that Republicans are trying to turn America into China. They love massive wealth gaps, persecuting muslims and keeping their people in line with a strong sense of nationlistic pride/fear of foreigners. If they succeed in their dismantling of democracy then they'll basically have their Cino Utopia on the other side of the pacific.

Their voter suppression bills will be equaled out by Delta variant running through their unvaccinated voters though. Both sides will have about 10 million fewer voters, for different reasons, but the result should stay in 2024 (with another attempted coup to go along with it) unless Kamala runs cause nobody really likes her. We need Stacey or some advancement in anti-aging tech!


It’s insane that many on the Left think this way. To be fair there are many on the right with skewed views of Democrats/Leftists. So much disconnect out there. Everyone is in their own head. I’m as conservative as they come but I can still admit that there are some things liberals get right and I can like them as people/fellow Americans.
Author:  Excel [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:45 am ]
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5% of the country passed way way way too much attention to he daily fight to he right among politicos that takes place on social media.

95% don't care enough to be bothered.
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:09 pm ]
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I’m just reacting based on what I see day to day. No hunches, no conspiracies, no thousand-year-old texts. Just what is actually happening.

If you can explain how things like these voter suppression bills, stealing a supreme court seat, trying to violently overthrow the government, etc… are actually good for American democracy then I’m all ears.

And if you can explain how people traveling to different baseball stadiums around the country and hanging giant TRUMP WON banners is not cult-like behavior I’m all ears. Wasn’t there a commandment about not worshipping false idols?

And if you can explain how Trump and the rest of Republicans convincing said cult that the virus was just a hoax to make him look bad is in any way forgivable then I’m all ears.
Author:  Shack [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:16 pm ]
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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
If you can explain how things like these voter suppression bills, stealing a supreme court seat, trying to violently overthrow the government, etc… are actually good for American democracy then I’m all ears.


When you see these from the other side they look like “trying to make the election harder to steal”, “filling a seat that opened up during Trump’s time while he is in office” (and we know the Democrats would have done the exact same thing), and “protesting against a potentially stolen election”.

I’m guilty of the same since I think the woke are a cult/secular religion, basically what happens when people have the psychological need for a religion as has been the case for human for thousands of years but Christianity isn’t as cool anymore, but of course, that’s not really any more convincing than a leftist who think Trump supporters are a cult.

This was a good tweet about why things are toxic right now



I do not see much debate between sides these days, it's more about using power to silence the other
Author:  Excel [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:49 pm ]
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The only thing that I am feeling 100% confident in ATM is that in the eyes of 100% of Dems, 90% of Independents, and prob 50% of Republicans, the GOP will utterly own any steps backwards towards Covid. The animosity from the vaccinated towards the unvaccinated is growing by the day and will reach enormous highs if Covid does resurge into the fall and winter. Should severe disruption to daily life return because of the "it's my choice" crowd, things will get very ugly for those people. The politicians and media personalities who lead them there are universally right-wing and there will be hell to pay at the ballot box for those people.

The Dems are already painting the MTG and Boeberts of the world as the new faces of the GOP and it will have horrendous consequences for then. We are already starting to see Republican governors openly saying "It is time to blame the unvaccinated" - this sentiment will be the most politically toxic take that any political party has faced in decades and the GOP will get absolutely creamed because of it.
Author:  Excel [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:53 pm ]
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Funny enough, I don't think current GOP politicians have a whole lot of sway with the anti-vax crowd to begin with. McConnell and many others, who supported Trump hard, have made this crowd highly distrustful of the government and now these same people do not want to listen to McConnell and co. when they say to get vaxed. It is a comical yet lethal coming of full circle. Death by politics, death by stupidity, death by Trump, darwinism on display - call it whatever you want, but the anger from the vaxxed towards the unvaxxed will crush GOP in 2022 if they do not get their shit together ASAP.
Author:  Shack [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:53 pm ]
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Excel wrote:
The only thing that I am feeling 100% confident in ATM is that in the eyes of 100% of Dems, 90% of Independents, and prob 50% of Republicans, the GOP will utterly own any steps backwards towards Covid. The animosity from the vaccinated towards the unvaccinated is growing by the day and will reach enormous highs if Covid does resurge into the fall and winter. Should severe disruption to daily life return because of the "it's my choice" crowd, things will get very ugly for those people. The politicians and media personalities who lead them there are universally right-wing and there will be hell to pay at the ballot box for those people.

The Dems are already painting the MTG and Boeberts of the world as the new faces of the GOP and it will have horrendous consequences for then. We are already starting to see Republican governors openly saying "It is time to blame the unvaccinated" - this sentiment will be the most politically toxic take that any political party has faced in decades and the GOP will get absolutely creamed because of it.


Nobody wants to lock down again. If they lock down again, how do we know that people don't react like "the government are acting like tyrants" like France is right now instead of blaming the unvaccinated?

How long can the Democrats blatantly act like authoritarians before people stop watching CNN and figure out they're in danger of losing their freedom from them?
Author:  Excel [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:59 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
How long can the Democrats blatantly act like authoritarians before people stop watching CNN and figure out they're in danger of losing their freedom?


1) Very few non- GOPers view taking temporary measures to tackle major public health/public safety crisis as "losing their freedoms". They're not permeant authoritarians, they're trying to prevent mass death and will obviously return things to normal once the problem is solved. There is a huge difference.

Covid has been a Crisis 100s of time more impactful than 9/11 yet did you hear Republicans crying about losing freedoms when flights were held? Get a grip - everyone wants health and safety prioritizes and if it means temporary "freedom" sacrifice in order to return to normal, 99% of non GOPers are cool with that.

2) I doubt lockdowns are coming again, but mask mandates and other limitations are obviously a possibility. Again, many of the restrictions are self imposed - people who do not feel comfortable in crowds, etc. People will be pissed at any of the, no doubt. But the blame will universally fall on the unvaxxed. You can already hear it in the voices of many Republicans - McConnell, Romney, the Alabama and Arkansas Governors, etc. The anger is growing more by the day.

France doesn't have widespread access to the vaccine as US does. The 75% of active voters who already took the damn thing are going to be beyond furious at the 25% of voters - which is probably 95% Republican - who wanted covid to go away but refused to take part in solving it.

This is already fermenting as conditions worsen. Between this sentiment and all of the Jan 6th/election nonsense, the GOP brand is going to be exceptionally toxic.
Author:  Shack [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:21 pm ]
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Covid has been a Crisis 100s of time more impactful than 9/11 yet did you hear Republicans crying about losing freedoms when flights were held? Get a grip - everyone wants health and safety prioritizes and if it means temporary "freedom" sacrifice in order to return to normal, 99% of non GOPers are cool with that.


They dropped the ball not being against things like the Patriot Act more, Republicans in 2000s sucked. Only the last 6 years do they have an identity which is the Freedom/America is Good, Actually party which is a powerful thing to stand on.
Author:  Excel [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:36 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
They dropped the ball not being against things like the Patriot Act more, Republicans in 2000s sucked.


Obviously W is a historically bad President but his initial response to 9/11 was very well received. Note all you want about "freedom" - the vast majority of people would happily trade some freedoms temporarily if it is the name of addressing a serious public health/public safety issue. This is not even question, they would do it without thinking twice. If the freedoms are not restored once the crisis is address, those politicians will no doubt pay a price. But make no mistake, this is how many people feel.

Republicans getting some people to distrust government to the point where these same people are greatly fucking up the Covid solution is creating tremendous animosity among the vaccinated towards those people.

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Only the last 6 years do they have an identity which is the Freedom/America is Good, Actually party which is a powerful thing to stand on.


It is not powerful in the political sense whatsoever. "Defund the police" was horrid for Dems and the antivaxxers will be horrid for GOP.

Also - obviously - the party ran on a slogan of "Make America Great Again" - none "America is great, actually" so not sure what you're really saying there.
Author:  Shack [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:44 pm ]
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The American flag at this point basically = Trump supporter, so I would say the Democrats have conceded nationalism due to trying to cater to the Marxists, globalists, critical race theorists on their side. I think they also got caught a bit in the Trump=nazi thing, to keep calling the National Socialists right wing you have to concentrate on the National part of their name.

It hurts a lot of what they do imo, eg. they would have an easier time demonizing the Jan 6th people if they weren't waiving American flags doing it
Author:  Excel [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:17 pm ]
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You spend too much time monitoring Twitter. The American flag is everywhere in the US. So libraries, fire departments, schools, etc are all just DT Supporters? :funny:

Again: the vast majority of people would happily trade some freedoms temporarily if it is the name of addressing a serious public health/public safety issue. This is not even question, they would do it without thinking twice. If the freedoms are not restored once the crisis is address, those politicians will no doubt pay a price. But make no mistake, this is how many people feel.
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:50 pm ]
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We'll have to see if covid starts killing unvaccinated people at a higher rate. As of now, it's still only unvaccinated people dying of covid at a high rate. Case counts could be high in fall winter, but if the death rate stays around the flu like it is now, it won't be any real reason to panic,
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:42 am ]
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The major problem for the GOP is their bullshit is starting to become harder and harder to sell when it comes to COVID and the vaccine. This whole pandemic and their response is really biting them in the ass. The right wing mainstream media pushed hard against the vaccine and now that videos are coming out of former anti-vaxers begging for the vaccine in hospitals, some even dying, it is getting scary, and it is pissing off those who have had loved ones lost because they falsely believed in this right wing media personalities.
Author:  Shack [ Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:42 pm ]
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Most information on covid is filtered through outlets like this and you wonder why people don't trust what they're told about it?

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