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I support background checks, but the government/military should not have access to guns that civilians don’t.

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Colorado does have strong gun legislation so what more can they do other than ban them?

For me what it comes down to is that criminals own guns illegally and law abiding citizens who want to protect themselves with them own them legally. Who does gun legislation affect? The law abiding citizens. The left likes to bring up the countries that have low shootings and high gun legislation, but ignores the countries that prove the opposite such as Mexico which has the strictest gun control you can basically have and it appears to have backfired by meaning only criminals have guns and can run wild. I would imagine gun control works better in places with no military as that's where a lot of the guns on the street come from. Mexico just being next to US means the US military guns bleed over there let alone what would happen inside the US. The law shouldn't be based on small % of public shootings like this or school shootings, as they're a small % compared to overall homicide problem.

Pro gun people have never had more of a leg to stand on in recent years when it comes to gun control cause after the riots they can now say they need to protect themselves from violent radical leftists, and can suggest that the main reason BLM and ANTIFA didn't go to conservative states is cause they were rightly terrified of doing to an area with guns what they did to places like Portland and Seattle, even a place like Kenosha which was a more conservative part of a blue state got really ugly really fast. That's before considering the right wing people that think the Democrats are trending authoritarian, and authoritarians love disarming the population because then they can do anything to you, it would be the final step after taking over the media (done) and purging the military (in process). Yes I'm aware that to the left the fear of this may seem ridiculous, but a lot of people genuinely feel the authoritarian danger is from the left and wokeism which in my opinion is an authoritarianism fad.. As a recent tweet I saw said:


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the government/military should not have access to guns that civilians don’t.


The government already have access to warfare the public, if it really came to a public war, the public would have no chance against the military's tanks, gasses, missiles and what not.

Sure the public could fight back somewhat with their AR15's, but really what's the point?


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Colorado does have strong gun legislation so what more can they do other than ban them?

In short, this Boulder guy, as was the Atlanta guy were able to buy a gun legally to do their killing. Why not cut off that channel and limit the chance/ number of mass shootings?

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Democrats are trending authoritarian, and authoritarians love disarming the population because then they can do anything to you

Yes, the big thing in my eyes is just that taking away guns limits freedom, however it's just personal freedom and almost everyone is hypocritical about it too.
Really it should just be a question of what kind of society one wants to live in.
Mexico is ONE bad example of restrictive gun ownership, yet still having a lot of gun violence, but how about the DOZEN countries where it's safer with it?


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Exactly, the government is already overpowered, why dearm the public even more in comparison?

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Well, the answer there, especially given the circumstances, is obvious to me; to prevent the public from killing each other with said arms.

When in the last 100 years has the US government been a threat to its people that having an armed society offers any sense of comfort for it.

There are also deeper societal problems that cause these mass shootings that should be addressed as well, but isn't the most straight forward way countering them to stop making guns, especially ones like the AR15, so easily accessible.

If there's one main thing in favor of gun ownership in my opinion, it's personal protection. When someone breaks into your home or you're threatened for your life, who wouldn't wish they could fight them off evenly.

I can see there's some dilemma, there may be a rise in crimes if citizens don't have the deterrent of gun ownership, but that's an uncertainty. From recent examples it seems pretty clear to me that it shouldn't be equal to who can buy and own a gun.


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There are also deeper societal problems that cause these mass shootings that should be addressed as well, but isn't the most straight forward way countering them to stop making guns, especially ones like the AR15, so easily accessible.
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If the only problem in terms of gun violence was mass shootings maybe this would be the case, but mass shootings are a very small % of homicides. You might be able to reduce a few mass shootings with banning guns, but the question is does it have a positive or negative impact on the overall gun crimes? Plus even in the case of mass shootings there are situations where someone carrying a gun stopped one, or surely they were a deterrent sometimes, incel psycho in Oklahoma may not be as interested in shooting up a spa as in Atlanta out of fear they're packing.

When it comes to protecting people from the government yes if they decided to unleash the full military on the people it wouldn't matter if they were armed or not, but would it make a difference if they're doing things like arresting people for speech or dragging them to labour camps, possibly.

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Well, clearly not passing gun control legislation isn't helping, so how about actually stepping up and attempt to do something about it? America is the king of the world at always questioning (or "discussing") if this or that will fix this or that, while this or that just continues on being a problem for everyone. We've had decades to question and discuss this problem, in addition to every other problem. It's well past time to actually act.

And I don't know how people can live a decent life, or at least stress free, if they're always thinking the government might unleash the military on them and end their life. What a bizarre and paranoid way to spend one's time. They must always be living in constant fear of their lives.

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Human beings have been dealing with the tyranny problem and those seeking total power their entire history and the battle isn't close to done, half the world still struggles and just last century was a trail of bodies and dictators. The US and other first world countries have had a good run we're lucky to have grown up in but it doesn't mean it can't happen there. Not sure about the military fighting a war with the people, but could they become China 2.0 if things go badly and people sleep on the signs things have changed? Yes.

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Let’s do stiffer penalties for anyone who lies when filling out paperwork to buy guns, such as Hunter Biden. Honest gunowners won’t have to worry, and I suspect those who use guns for crimes are more likely to lie on their applications,


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It’s quite amazing how a “rise in Asian-American hate crimes” is being attributed to “white supremacy” despite the fact the overwhelming majority of the crimes are by non white people.

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The asian thing messes up the whole CRT theory, they have no idea whether to treat them as the racial oppression bourgeoise or the racial oppression proletariat.

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If the US doesn’t treat poor people well enough cause of its capitalism, why is the border overrun with poor people from other countries who want to move there?

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The shooter has been identified as Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa so according to my updated guide of White Shooter ----> Racism, Muslim or misc. shooter ------> Guns did it, Black shooter ------> What shooting?, unlike the Atlanta shooting the guns should get the blame here

Guns: And I would've gotten away with it if not for you kids!


At least this time we did not hear the police describe the suspect's feelings about the "bad day" he had. At least they did not rush to give the suspect side's psychological explanations for what he did. Or should we give Alissa the same benefit of the doubt as the murderer in Atlanta and give him and his mental state a voice?

Yeah, weird to blame guns but not the gun owners who committed the killings. What kind of intervention can we take to prevent these vicious people from killing others? What makes it so easy for these killers to acquire lethal weapons?


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https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/bould ... index.html

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Alissa said the victim "had made fun of him & called him racial names weeks earlier," the officer wrote.


Pretty standard procedure for officers to provide the perpetrator’s stated motive if they chose to waive their right to remain silent. Similarly, the officer here is not condoning mass shooting duet to racism or bullying, he’s merely stating the viewpoint of the Muslim shooter,


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https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html

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Alissa said the victim "had made fun of him & called him racial names weeks earlier," the officer wrote.


Pretty standard procedure for officers to provide the perpetrator’s stated motive if they chose to waive their right to remain silent. Similarly, the officer here is not condoning mass shooting duet to racism or bullying, he’s merely stating the viewpoint of the Muslim shooter,


That quote was taken from an old case (in 2018) in Colorado Bureau of Investigation's database. The investigation was completed and a report was publicly filed.

Nope, it's not standard practice to relay police officers' "impression" of a murder suspect and you don't disclose everything the suspect said for an ongoing investigation that had just begun. It was the first press conference of an ongoing murder investigation and not a psych evaluation session by the police.

This was how the Boulder police handled it (quoting from the same news article you posted):

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The name of the 21-year-old suspect, who is in custody, was released at a news conference by Boulder Police Chief Maris Herold, who did not disclose a possible motive for Monday's bloodshed...

The mass shooting suspect has made statements to investigators, Dougherty said.
"We're collecting those statements now and we'll be providing those in the weeks ahead," Dougherty said.

Herold said the suspect was wounded in the leg during "an exchange of gunfire."


The police provided a timeline of the crime and what the police had done in response. They described the crime scene and the conditions of the victims. They identified the suspect and the initial charges pressed. No psych evaluation or speculation of motives came from them for the first news conference.


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Crazy that the US money supply was up 26% from Feb 2020 to 2021 and that as before 2 more months and a huge budget bill, who knows where it is now. The US is basically acting as if inflation doesn't exist - bold strategy Cotton. I mean if the money supply goes up 40% in a year and a half or something what do they expect to happen?

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Caitlyn Jenner considering run for CA governor in recall election, I might vote for her actually.


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The shooter has been identified as Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa so according to my updated guide of White Shooter ----> Racism, Muslim or misc. shooter ------> Guns did it, Black shooter ------> What shooting?, unlike the Atlanta shooting the guns should get the blame here

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While it's not ideal that he did it with a EO, some of Biden's gun control ideas he announced today are pretty reasonable, eg. trying to make it harder for people to get the parts to a gun and assemble it themselves and therefore not have a serial number

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While it's not ideal that he did it with a EO, some of Biden's gun control ideas he announced today are pretty reasonable, eg. trying to make it harder for people to get the parts to a gun and assemble it themselves and therefore not have a serial number


Most of this is reasonable no doubt

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Regardless of what you feel about trying to make DC a state, it should be obvious there's only one reason the Democrats are interested in it, because it gives them 2 guaranteed senators. That's their psychological make-up these days. Everything is to gain power which is their crack, there's a reason they're talking about packing the court to give themselves complete power. The rest is excuses like painting everything with the race brush.

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Caitlyn Jenner would probably be a better California governor than Gavin Newsom

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Caitlyn Jenner would probably be a better California governor than Gavin Newsom


Almost anyone would be.

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Newsom will probably be safe. The recall is likely to occur, but he appears to have at the very least 50-60% of Democratic support in the state. That can change, of course, but he's not likely to make any controversial decisions moving forward. The attack ads will hit him a bit, but as long as no prominent Democrats enter the race, it's going to be difficult to get him under 50% among the Democrats by enough to actually risk losing.

We'll see, anything can happen in politics, but it's not going to be easy, and the more high profile Republicans, be it celebrities or actual politicians, that enter the race makes it more challenging to defeat him.

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Regardless of what you feel about trying to make DC a state, it should be obvious there's only one reason the Democrats are interested in it, because it gives them 2 guaranteed senators. That's their psychological make-up these days. Everything is to gain power which is their crack, there's a reason they're talking about packing the court to give themselves complete power. The rest is excuses like painting everything with the race brush.
Says the people who just tried to overthrow the government cause they lost an election. :funny:

Also, the Pubs already stacked the court when they stole the Merrick Garland seat. If that didn’t happen there would be no talk about balancing the court since it is already balanced.

Also it makes no sense that DC should have zero senators while Dakota gets four. The only reason to oppose it is a power grab.

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