America has become a patchwork of a country where defining where life begins is unclear and contradicting legislation can be drafted to determine when it does. A week? A month? 9 months? It's chaotic.

And the states that ban abortion should absolutely give the unborn the same protections and rights the born have now, or this wasn't really about protecting "life". For example, a women should be able to collect insurance for their unborn child if it dies, and child support, and everything else that goes with having a child already.

And this won't stop there with this court. Just wait for Mississippi to challenge the rulings mentioned in the opinion today and get all these overturned:

Sure! You act like pro life people wouldn't support this.

They already don't, dude. Little is done to support children once they're born. Let's see if these so-called "pro-life" states pass legislation in the coming weeks or months like I mentioned. The 13 states with the trigger laws where it's banned now are already behind on this and are failing to protect life and give the unborn the same equal rights as the born.

RBG is both a legend and an example of intense naiveness and selfishness that is HAUNTING her legacy.

Women have fewer rights in this country than guns do. What a catastrophe.

They're coming for same sex marriage next. Conservatives and these Supreme Court ghouls won't be satisfied until they've legally made everyone not a white evangelical in America a second class citizen.

You can support the "right to abortion" and still not try and pretend something like this is anywhere close to true

Absolutely. It's even mentioned in this ruling today (as was Lawrence). People like to say "it's not the same." Yeah, it's not, but that doesn't matter.

All it'll take is some county official down in Mississippi to refuse to marry a couple which will prompt a lawsuit that will work its way through the courts until it's decided upon at the Supreme Court.

Well it's not the same in that there is no life at stake in same sex marriage. Doesn't make it constitutional but as a conservative, I can tell you its nowhere near the priority that abortion is. I'd say at least a third of conservatives I know vote that way EXPLICITLY because they want to outlaw abortion.

Public opinion doesn't matter. All that matters is that one person out of 330 million can challenge it now on precedent with a court that is likely to overturn it.

#DividedStatesofAmerica

Obviously abortion, same-sex marriage, marriage etc will continue in certain states but it's pretty crazy they're actually walking back on their things. I truly wonder what this does to some incoming state's elections. In red states, legalizing abortion could become an extremely impactful position.

GOP may well regret this one day.

The "good new" (...) is that many major companies have come out saying they'll pay for travel costs for all employees who must travel if they decide to have an abortion. And while I don't think it'll happen because the Democratic party seriously lacks a backbone, there is some discussion that abortion could be legal on federal property in the states that ban it.

But this is so chaotic. And fighting to make abortion (or anything else that gets overturned in the near future) legal again (or not) at the state or federal level becomes such a mess. It's this ridiculous yo-yo sort of effect of what's legal somewhere or everywhere, then not, then is, then not. "I couldn't get married before 2015, but I did in 2016! 2024... Oh, that was only legal for like 8 years? My bad. I missed the fine print there, wasn't aware it was temporary. Court shakeup in 2045... What's that? It might be legal again in 2050? Cool! Oh, that was temporary, too, and I might die unmarried in 2065? If I'm in a grave, and marriage is codified at last and legal in 2786, am I considered married on my death certificate then?"

Oh, and I just heard that there is some law from the 1800s in West Virginia (where I live) that might make abortion illegal this very moment, but our gremlin of an Attorney General isn't really sure. SMDH at all that.

Actually yeah, this has now given the Democrats a proper platform now going forward into the near future that voters can vote on that will actually have an effect. Democrats have long been a hodgepodge party of nothing, but this might make them popular again. This will be particularly interesting for Texas and Florida. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some shocking results come November.

When was she supposed to retire? Why wouldn't McConnel just block her replacement like he did with Merick? This is not RBG's fault, this is the Republicans fault. Every single one of theme who voted Trump bears responsibility for turning the Supreme Court into the catholic taliban.

Is everyone on this site completely brain damaged? Not a single Democrat even once campaigned on "defunding the police". In fact, I'd say 90%+ of the country RAISED pay for police and increased police budgets.

Republicans have such a stranglehold on the media that you would believe the police are persecuted more than fucking Jesus.

This fucking idiotic take again.

Yeah man, laws are worthless. Criminals just break them anyway!

Just get of laws then. You sound like a fucking imbecile.

ABORTION IS POPULAR BY MORE THAN 66% OF THIS COUNTRY,

Just an absolutely horrific day for this country. Fuck every Republican. I hope you all rot in hell.

In the first trimester.

Even if that were true, they don't care enough to elect pro abortion senators to codify it into law

Explain how banning concealed carry protects lives.

Maybe if Republicans actually gave a shit about life they would all abolish the death penalty, mandate healthcare for everyone, and provide maternity leave for all.

(Hint: they don't actually care about life. They care about babies being born, controlling women, and getting those babies into the army)

I slightly edited one of your posts, Chippy.

Obviously there is anger (deservingly so), but let's at least try to avoid the more... hateful language at members. We mostly allow anything, which is how it should be, and I don't think we can avoid hostile discussions in here since there's plenty to be (rightfully) angry about, but the more direct, targeted language at individual members can at least be managed a bit.

Apparently you are part of the “brain dead” because you obviously did nothing understand my post. I very clearly say “The Left” and not Democrats, and my Facebook feed would very much say a large swath of “The Left” is all about Defund the Police

All these businesses saying they'll pay for their employees travel expenses to get an abortion, and Biden mentioning just minutes ago the "right to travel" does bring up a concern.

If I recall, Missouri, I think, was either considering drafting (or had already begun to draft) legislation earlier this year "preventing" women from crossing state lines for an abortion.

It's hard to imagine the Supreme Court would allow states the right to prevent their residents from traveling out of state, but... it's not in the constitution; the "right to travel" is not a protected constitutional right. If Missouri, for example, would bring this to the courts, they could, legally, stop people from traveling out of state for abortions if the Supreme Court ruled in their favor if they strictly interpret the Constitution again.

The legal issue around medication traveling across state lines is something, too. I don't think many states will act on preventing it, but more than a handful will likely try to legislate it.

If there isn't even 50 senators who support banning abortion (let alone 60), maybe it shouldn't be?

I just don't understand why religious people can't just worship their god, whichever one it is, in peace. Why do they have to insist their religion on everyone else too? It's basically no different than a plague.

Also, can a Christian truly believe in democracy if a tyrant in the sky has final word over everything no matter who is elected?

Should we ban religious people from holding office? Feels like it is the only way to get any sort of common sense back into government.