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In many ways, we are found with this choice, and a philosophical dilemma.

Either we put The Rep nominee in office, who will cut taxes, especially for the rich, and continue funding war after war, further draining our economy. He will try to make up for this by cutting government spending, which will lead to more job loss, and not come close to paying off the war and tax break expense. The focus is to make thing better right now, with less government.

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We keep Obama for another 4 years. During his first 4 years, he has been far from perfect, but the recession did stop and there has been some recovery, albeit slow. Our international relations are better than they were when W. was in office (not a difficult feat to accomplish). Perhaps the two best things he did though, amid much conflict and opposition, were finishing off Bin Laden and saving Chrysler and GM. Romney would have let them go bankrupt, and then how many more people would be out of jobs? The focus here is laying the groundwork for a track that will eventually lead us to a much stronger country, with improved education, a stronger economy, and a step ahead in science and energy development. The problem here is that laying the groundwork is one thing, while ensuring it is followed after your term is another.

Regardless, of who gets in office though, the country is so divided that it will be difficult for either to implement everything they wish to.

It's kind of depressing.


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Its just the way Obama speaks is like he is going for his first term...

Its like Obama says now " lets fix Americas Problems..."


Who was President for the past four years...

It appears they are trying to make it seem Bush was still President... :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:

Also Obama made a huge blunder with health Care reform...
Reform was needed but he pretty much ignored the economy for the first two years in office.


Frankly I prefer Obama to be in Office but I cannot fathom how anyone is excited for 4 more years of a mediocrity...

Also can we stop using the lame excuse that Obama could not do anything in office due to a hostile Congress.

Bill Clinton faced extremely powerful Republicans in the mid 90's that shut down Govt and tried to impeach him! :funny:

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Such an inspiring moment last night:



No matter what side of the political spectrum you fall under, this woman's spirit and strength is unbelievable.


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No, not really. The political *establishment* is center-right, no doubt. You're also underestimating the power of modern media as a propaganda model and think tanks creating their own alternative realities. But only about half of Americans are politically engaged and tend to strongly disagree, in theory, with the political practices of their representatives.



true but Americans are still more conservatively minded then the rest of the Western world.


What is the Centre or Centre right in America is like hard right in Europe... :funny:


In many parts of Europe, agreeing with the death penalty makes you barbaric. In North America a majority still agree with it.

In Canada its quite strange... 2/3 support the death penalty but less than half went it re-instated. What has happened is in the past few years there have been many horrific cases and many people think 25 years is not enough as a punishment.

Attitudes shift around in a country over time as well.
In America polls show people are actually more liberally minded then politicians about social issues like weed and Same Sex Marriage.

In Canada views have become far more hardened on immigration and Justice in the past decade but support for social issues and health care is still the same as before.

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It's like you know nothing about America.

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And you know nothing at all... :whistle:


Imo I strongly disagree with this idea that some of you have that Americans in general are actually quite liberally minded...

However the thing is the people who actually vote and are engaged are generally centrist or of right of centre.

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Quite the lofty opinion there.

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It's way too complicated to sum up Americans as "centrist", "liberal" or "center-right".

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"because we "can't afford it"."



No need to put that in quotes, you guys CANT AFFORD IT.


Taxing the rich is not going to come close to fixing the problem.

It will require likley a sales tax or tax increases on everyone over 70 k or so and massive reductions in expenses.

Over time perhaps we will reach a reasonable level but remember this under Obama's watch he has added already 5-6 trillion dollars to the debt....

He has the European thinking that debt is not a big issue and we can see how that has worked out for our European cousins... :funny:

We faced a similar problem in Canada in the 90's and we faced a new 7% sales tax and a huge reduction in spending... It causes a lot of pain but in the Long Term, likley has kept us from becoming like Europe and the US...

Seriousily imagine this...
The debt problems stays as it does and in the future, there is a great natural disaster or more economic crisis...
What will happen to the US then? ;)


Japan is still, what, 200% in public debt? They haven't sank into the Pacific yet. We can afford it short-term. What we cannot afford is private debt. There needs to be a jubilee.

I'm afraid you don't understand the European crisis, at all.

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Japanese debt is owned by its people and the Japanese people are savers...
So they can manage it...


It just seems that the so called responsible thing to do is go in more debt and hope for the best.


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Keynesian economic theory was based on the principle that you enter a recession with a govt that had a budgetary surplus.

Let us not forget that...

There comes a point where you a dig a hole so deep that you actually have to start climbing out of it or you will never get out.

Its a fine balance.

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Japanese debt is owned by its people and the Japanese people are savers...
So they can manage it...


It just seems that the so called responsible thing to do is go in more debt and hope for the best.


Again, most American debt is owned by domestic hands too. I'm afraid you're talking out your ass.

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Keynesian economic theory was based on the principle that you enter a recession with a govt that had a budgetary surplus.

Let us not forget that...

There comes a point where you a dig a hole so deep that you actually have to start climbing out of it or you will never get out.

Its a fine balance.


Again, I don't know how this justifies austerity measures. You know it's made things in Greece and Spain worse, right?

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Most of the debt is owned by domestic hands but ever since 2008, the foreign share has increase dramatically. Historically it has been around 20% but its around 1/3 now and growing.



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Again, I don't know how this justifies austerity measures. You know it's made things in Greece and Spain worse, right?



No

You keep digging a hole it get to deep to climb back out... :funny: :funny: :funny:

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Canada is where neanderthals live... :funny: :funny: :funny:

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Seriously Dude...


You attack me for saying so called dumb comments.


What do you want me to say to that...

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I'm "attacking" you for your constant use of that annoying as hell smiley.

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obama is so cool, he knows all about nikki minaj

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Mannyisthebest wrote:
Most of the debt is owned by domestic hands but ever since 2008, the foreign share has increase dramatically. Historically it has been around 20% but its around 1/3 now and growing.


Source?

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Again, I don't know how this justifies austerity measures. You know it's made things in Greece and Spain worse, right?


No

You keep digging a hole it get to deep to climb back out... :funny: :funny: :funny:
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Jesus christ, how myopic can you get?

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It doesn't help they didn't raise taxes on the wealthy in Spain and Greece, only the middle class. You DO know unemployment in both countries is at 25%, right? You DO know Spain was NOT in serious debt before the recession, right? Hey, why does the UK have higher debt than Spain but not forced to have austerity measures? Maybe because Spain isn't a significant financial center and thus the political pressure on them is much worse, but especially because they have NO CONTROL OVER THEIR CURRENCY.

As you can see, the effect of austerity in Greece has done and will do little to fix the deficit...while the country will be mired in a serious depression for years.

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