I honestly whole heartedly agree. If its Hillary, all the things shes used to do well amongst democracts will not work against mCcain and the fucking Clinton supporters need to wake up and realize that! I dont like her but no way in hell do I wanna see john fuckin mccain win the election because once again we pick a horrible candidate,

BUT if its Barrack vs. McCain you have to polar oposites, and Obama could easily exploit McCains weaknesses. Age would become a huge issue but more importantly, the entire election could center around the IRAQ WAR becauce with niether obamna or clinton could a republican last in an econimic debate, not after the past 7 years.

And if thats the case Barrack would win the general election because the majority of the country opposes the war and McCain doesnt but Barrack always has.

That gains Barrack instant trust because it makes him more relateable. Its the people in the middle will instantly not like mccain due to his endless support fo the war while barrackl has always been against it; its that simple.

This isnt even about who i want to win anymore; its that i dont want fucking john mccain and war loving ways in the white house and if hillary is the one who wins the nomination, than we democrats are screwed.

I did read a very good article about the "Clinton Campaign". Well if she gets the nomination
that might backfire huge against here.

I think Mc Cain is even an option for Democrats who dont like the way how Hillary fought the campaing....so yeah all for Obama here!!!!

this isnt even about barrack...i dont want another republican in the white house and hillary quite simply wont win the general election. every non hillary supporter says wether they are barrack edwards mccain romney huckabee guilianni or whoever supporters. the thinking is all the same: barrack obama has a much much much better chance to win then Hillary does.

i dont want a 2 004 repoeat where we giove away an aleection because we chose a candidate we know wont win.

Corpse if Hillary gets the nomination HE WILL WIN.

Hillary is not the reason record turnouts are occuring; its mainly due to barrack bringing in new voters; hillary is just winning all the ones who usually vote and if Barracks out so are his voters. Kiss good bye a record turnout and its a standard old election and McCain will make her look like an idiot. Barrack did it 2 weeks ago but has calmed down for the sake of his party; imagine how its going to be in a no holds bar battle with a repuiblicans and god knows how many skeletons in the closet the clintons have.

McCain is stronger on ethics, louder against torture, longer on honesty (yes, even in light of his Romney attacks), and best of all, runs on a post-partisan platform. Some of McCain's most passionate positions are on issues such as climate change. That, compared to someone that flamed an opponent for suggesting the opposing party's luminary had ideas. I agree, Clintonistas have no idea what they're getting themselves into. Democrats inclined toward victory should jump ship before it's too late.

Corpse you dont understand, her name being dragged through the mud doesnt mean shes tough it means she already has a bad image! People opionions on barrack wont just change over night; Hillary would have an uphill battle to begin with in winning over non supporters; its been said for weeks her support wont grow much bigger than it is nomination or not. Barrack will have far less tourble winning over clinton supporters or edwards supporters.

its time to stop thinking about our own personal opinions and think about what is best for the party because bush 2.0 presidential threat is very real and if you dont think mccain can win, how did bush get reelected?

If it becomes a lesser of 2 evils like it was in 2004 Clinton will lose no way around it. Attacks platforms aside, her image is just too wrong. Shes too devisive and its set in stone she cant change that part of her image and that will be her downfall.

Being through it once doesn't mean she's immune to having all the dirt being dug up again. She has a lot of dirt. Much of which, unfairly I may say, involves her sovereignty as a wife. If McCain going dirty is the concern at hand, we must elect someone with less dirt than McCain, not more.

How come John Cleese is at a Fox News focus group?

corpse, I know McCain is a republican but the man has some strong support for moderates which you need to win the white house.

Clinton cannot attract moderates.

That is incorrect, because many Democrats want division. They want division to score points against a party that wronged them.

His point is that Clinton turned out whomever would have voted anyhow, whereas Obama is giving her a run for the money with supporters that normally don't vote in Democratic primaries. Those people will go back into hiding (can you say, young people?) or support McCain. Don't think they will support McCain? Ask one of the thousands of red-blooded conservatives that voted as Obama Republicans. Many of them may even support Obama in the general election, against a Republican candidate they publicly lambaste as RINO (Republican in name only).

Dispirited conservatives would rally behind McCain as an act of keeping Clinton out of the White House.

That would depend on:
1. McCain's running mate
2. Obama's ability to calm the nerves of moderates opposed to Clinton. Many would see him as a sellout, myself included.

All the "Obama Republicans" would still be lost though. They wouldn't vote for Clinton even if hell froze over, and it's personal against her and her husband.

Obama is less likely to choose Clinton as running mate than the other way around. Obama knows Clinton is a liability in the general election; if he wants to woo women voters, Kathleen Sebelius would be a better bet.

as i said, it seems to be a growing realization amongst everybody not in clintonation and its time they woke up and smelt the coffee before they do some real damage to our party and get hillary the nomination aka hand the presdency to republicans.

because corpse-all these people your counting on to vote do not suport hillary!

I agree

Hillary is fucked if she goes against McCain IMO

Simply, if it's anything involving a combo with Hillary I'm going the opposite. Now, in my state it is a 90% probability it will be going Red so it won't matter much but I don't doubt there are many voters who might actually take a look at Obama simply because he would represent some type of actual change but would then skip him if Hillary were added or vice versa.