John McCain, WINS YEAH!!!


I am a centrist but I think he is the only person who can really hurt Obama and would easily destroy Clinton..

Which is why I am not happy tonight.

hmm. who's milking and spinning everything now? Obama is putting up a good fight, but won't be enough in the end.

Nobody's milking or spinning anything. He stated an obvious mathematical fact. I don't believe the number need to get more play though. There's no need for whining with momentum on Barack's side, and whining it would be.

You mean the guy who criticized the hold of evangelical crackpots like Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell on the Republican Party in 2000, then dropped to his knees for their endorsements the last two years. Yeah, keep living in your fantasy land.

Since we're on the topic of moral relativism, McCain indeed is relatively principled and honest compared to Billary. I can't picture, for instance, McCain being one to bring up Jesse Jackson on Saturday night, or to run through a whole burlesque troupe's worth of affairs. You're immensely intelligent, and certainly more so than I, but seem a little oblivious regarding all things Clinton. Bill was a very successful president, but he's on the low end of the character scale -- character being the issue at hand here.

I said "relatively."

McCain is

- Hawkish on foreign policy
- A war veteran
- Anti-abortion
- Not prone to suggesting big social programs

I don't get why conservatives don't like him more. I don't mean here on the forum but in the country.

Because Democrats like him. If Democrats like to eat cheesecake, cheesecake must be disgusting.

The best way to summarize my support for Obama (after going Bush in 04) is a yearning to impale that kind of thinking on a stick.

The reasons I've heard include working too much with Dems, and for opposing torture.

Also not being anti-immigration enough for the hard liners.

McCain and Obama are similar in some respects: They believe in telling it like they see it and are willing to work with the other party to get things done. Some fanatics (in both parties, but mostly Republicans) can't stand that.

McCain's image on this point however has been tarnished. He lied about Romney's record a few days ago (in what the press is now calling a "sucker punch"), and he has sucked up to the far religious right that he had stood up to before. So I'm not as impressed with him as I was a year ago...

Forgot about the immigration one.



An Obama vs McCain election would be a dream. I would hope that it wouldn't get nasty, but beyond that I think we'd talking more about ideas during an election than any in recent memory.

In some ways, I would prefer that because I think the election would be civil (for once) and, of all the Republicans, I would rather have McCain in the White House if we lost again.

On the other hand, I think he would be the hardest one to beat, and I think if Romney got the nomination, the Democrats would win in a heartbeat.

I am very worried though because McCain kind of hinted tonight that Huckabee would be a good Vice President. Having Huckabee a heartbeat away from a 78 year old President scares me!

Oh, I just remembered: the Republicans also don't like McCain because he was one of the chief sponsors of the campaign reform bill. Republicans don't like laws that make them report their campaign contributions honestly!

Hillary doubletalks a lot about ethics as well, though most Democrats don't seem to mind.

I wouldn't count out Obama against McCain just yet. For the reason you mention, McCain's running mate will be crucial, and his age will certainly be a factor. I've heard a rumor that McCain might promise to serve just one term, which might make him more electable.

Huckabee as VP would drive monstrous hordes of independents toward Obama though.

He's not considered conservative enough. What does that tell about the state of conservatism in America?

There is no adjective in English for such a concept. Try French.

I totally agree. That's why I think that McCain's VP is so crucial. I don't think it can be any of the presidential candidates. They are all a mixed bag of terrible. I think it could be a woman, though. Maybe a moderate like Christie Todd Whitman.

I think Italian or German might be more appropriate.

Hm. A female VP for McCain would certainly throw things for a loop. How about a minority?

McCain would easily beat Hilary.

She has no moderate support and moderates well like McCain in large numbers.

He is the type of republican we like. Not to much of a social conservative, progressive and a real tough guy maverick man. His personality really helps.

Anyways i think conservatives must realize if they have nay chance at winning it would be Mccain. Anyone else and Hilary or Obama will take the white house no problem.


McCain Vs. Obama would be cool. Real clash of ideas and generations. IT would be a moderates election mostly.




Well imo there is nothing wrong with being a war vet and not being prone to suggesting big social programs is well expected from him as he is a republican. When is the last time you heard a republican advocate free universal health care. Anyways free universal health care is not the greatest idea. It has to be a mixed system.

Edwards to quit presidential race



Now it's down to a one on one competition.

In one corner we got the handsome brotha and in the other corner the old hag.

LET'S GET IT ON!

the california debate's gonna be brutal.

will obama benfit or CLinton/??