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Author: | Shack [ Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is WOKJ a Republican or Democrat domain |
zwackerm wrote: So do I have the full list of all the right leaning posters? Zwackerm Shack Alex Y Rolling Thunder Nghtvsn Lilmac MGKC baumer even though he hasn't posted here in 11 years, Chippy hijacked WOKJ twitter account for a bit to post woke stuff and they were arguing |
Author: | Mau [ Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:00 pm ] |
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Not a US citizen but I lean more for Dems' style |
Author: | lilmac [ Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:55 pm ] |
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If you weigh the scales across the community, I would say left leaning. The fact there is more than 1 right leaning poster means there is 1 more than @ BOT. |
Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:03 am ] |
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Because I live in the US I am left leaning. If I lived where my wife is from I would be right leaning |
Author: | Rev [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:37 am ] |
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Because I live in the US I am left leaning. If I lived where my wife is from I would be right leaning Where's she from? |
Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:22 am ] |
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The Netherlands |
Author: | Rev [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:37 am ] |
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: The Netherlands Oh nice. Have you visited yet? Looks beautiful on tv. |
Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:19 am ] |
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Only been once thus far in March. Western Europe in general is beautiful with all of its history. |
Author: | Flava'd vs The World [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:08 pm ] |
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If you wanna know, just do a mass pm with the words “Heil Hydra” and see who responds. |
Author: | Flava'd vs The World [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:12 pm ] |
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Proud Boy Republicans on June 6, 1944: "Why are we invading Normandy and shooting at people just for disagreeing with us?" I am all for debate and different opinions, but I feel like we have enough of it without giving voices to the worst people of all time. |
Author: | zwackerm [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:10 pm ] |
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Flava'd vs The World wrote: Proud Boy Republicans on June 6, 1944: "Why are we invading Normandy and shooting at people just for disagreeing with us?" I am all for debate and different opinions, but I feel like we have enough of it without giving voices to the worst people of all time. Lol it’s almost like the Nazis were exterminating the Jews. |
Author: | Shack [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:32 pm ] |
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The Nazis were the ones cancelling free speech/debate. They were also left wing, like virtually every other modern dictatorship. |
Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:48 pm ] |
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Nazis were right wing who wanted Germany to return to their pre-liberal times under the First Reich |
Author: | Shack [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:54 pm ] |
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Their 25 point plan Spoiler: show At least at the time this was written the name National Socialism was not a joke. This is like a Bernie plan except nationalist/racist. You could argue however that they stopped caring as much once they used socialist message to get in power. Although they had a lot of government spending and basically used the New Deal as their response to the Depression, I believe. |
Author: | Cynosure [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:13 pm ] |
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I'm left-leaning in my own country (France), so in the US I would be to the left of Bernie Sanders. |
Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:29 pm ] |
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There is typically a confusion with right-wing as a terminology. It does not inherently mean capitalism vs socialism as much as it means status quo vs change as the terms left and right refer to the two different houses under the French parliament circa the late Bourbon house. The right side of the house was that of aristocracy and the chamber on the left was that to represent the common and typically pushed for change. Fascism as it came into being in both Italy and Germany (and although not by name, but in ideals in Japan) is a right-wing philosophy as it pushes for extreme nationalism and militarism at its roots, the two of which in these adore mentioned countries came under the rhetoric not of a better and new future, but rather as a return to glory. It is why the movement in Germany, with many, many differences of course, gets likened by foreign historians as akin to the rise of Fascism in Europe. Again, there are many many differences that typically get ignored in these comparisons, but back when Steve Bannon was still a key figure the similarities were scarily more present with his call for a nationalized economy and a push to close borders. |
Author: | Shack [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:31 pm ] |
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: There is typically a confusion with right-wing as a terminology. It does not inherently mean capitalism vs socialism as much as it means status quo vs change as the terms left and right refer to the two different houses under the French parliament circa the late Bourbon house. The right side of the house was that of aristocracy and the chamber on the left was that to represent the common and typically pushed for change. I agree this is a solid definition of left wing and right wing, but was Hitler not advocating for change during his rise to power? That's why he gained popularity - with the state of Germany in 1920s he promised change. If you say that he was left wing when he was advocating change, but became right wing as soon as he became the authority, you would also have to claim Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. became right wingers when they took over, or that pre election Trump was a left winger. I wouldn't hate that concept since the most common used version of left wing vs right wing (more like socialism vs... not socialism) is unsatisfying and confusing, but in practice it's not how people use it. Quote: Fascism as it came into being in both Italy and Germany (and although not by name, but in ideals in Japan) is a right-wing philosophy as it pushes for extreme nationalism and militarism at its roots, the two of which in these adore mentioned countries came under the rhetoric not of a better and new future, but rather as a return to glory. It is why the movement in Germany, with many, many differences of course, gets likened by foreign historians as akin to the rise of Fascism in Europe. Again, there are many many differences that typically get ignored in these comparisons, but back when Steve Bannon was still a key figure the similarities were scarily more present with his call for a nationalized economy and a push to close borders. Does militarism and nationalism have to be right wing? Many countries have had strong militaries beyond just the right wing ones. America has had a stronger army for decades than Germany ever did, and (until Trump at least) they were considered fairly moderate. Communist countries have militaries. Likewise, communist countries are all about nationalism. Countries like China and North Korea are the MOST nationalistic of anyone. Would you call Xi Jianping and Kim Jong Un fascists? To me they seem like perfect modern examples. How is China not one of the closest modern comparisons to Nazi Germany? They run the Nazis playbook with propaganda and media, etc. and are even toying with genocide right now. China is all about promoting how China is better than everyone else. Likewise Stalin and Mao were fascist dictators if anyone was. If fascism is about a group or person having total power and nationalism, many of the best examples have been communist dictatorships. |
Author: | Mau [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:53 pm ] |
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Is Shack comparing Bernie to the Nazis? I .....am speechless |
Author: | Cynosure [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:55 pm ] |
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The CCP under Mao and for several decades after actually condemned Han chauvinism*. Although there has been a resurgence of Han supremacy and Han ethnocentrism in the past few years, legally speaking China still considers itself a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural state. Article 4 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China : Quote: 1. All nationalities in the People's Republic of China are equal. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the minority nationalities and upholds and develops the relationship of equality, unity, and mutual assistance among all of China's nationalities. Discrimination against and oppression of any nationality are prohibited; any acts that undermine the unity of the nationalities or instigate their secession are prohibited. The state helps the areas inhabited by minority nationalities speed up their economic and cultural development in accordance with the peculiarities and needs of the different minority nationalities. 2. Regional autonomy is practiced in areas where people of minority nationalities live in compact communities; in these areas organs of self-government are established for the exercise of the right of autonomy. All the national autonomous areas are inalienable parts of the People's Republic of China. 3. The people of all nationalities have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages, and to preserve or reform their own ways and customs. Now of course it's still authoritarian and very harsh in the way it oppresses religious group and certain minority groups who are seen as threatening the unity of the state, which is typical of left-wing communist regimes, but I think it makes it different from Fascism or Nazism. In fact even under the one child policy an exception was made for most ethnic minorities who were allowed one additional child. Seems pretty different from sending an entire ethnoreligious group to be exterminated. *https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/could-han-chauvinism-turn-the-chinese-dream-into-a-chinese-nightmare/ |
Author: | Shack [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:07 pm ] |
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Cynosure wrote: The CCP under Mao and for several decades after actually condemned Han chauvinism*. Although there has been a resurgence of Han supremacy and Han ethnocentrism in the past few years, legally speaking China still considers itself a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural state. Article 4 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China : Quote: 1. All nationalities in the People's Republic of China are equal. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the minority nationalities and upholds and develops the relationship of equality, unity, and mutual assistance among all of China's nationalities. Discrimination against and oppression of any nationality are prohibited; any acts that undermine the unity of the nationalities or instigate their secession are prohibited. The state helps the areas inhabited by minority nationalities speed up their economic and cultural development in accordance with the peculiarities and needs of the different minority nationalities. 2. Regional autonomy is practiced in areas where people of minority nationalities live in compact communities; in these areas organs of self-government are established for the exercise of the right of autonomy. All the national autonomous areas are inalienable parts of the People's Republic of China. 3. The people of all nationalities have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages, and to preserve or reform their own ways and customs. Now of course it's still authoritarian and very harsh in the way it oppresses religious group and certain minority groups who are seen as threatening the unity of the state, which is typical of left-wing communist regimes, but I think it makes it different from Fascism or Nazism. In fact even under the one child policy an exception was made for most ethnic minorities who were allowed one additional child. Seems pretty different from sending an entire ethnoreligious group to be exterminated. *https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/could-han-chauvinism-turn-the-chinese-dream-into-a-chinese-nightmare/ They are not as racist, but I wouldn't say their track record is perfect either as seen by the current Uighurs situation. The entire world in general, has become much less racist since the 1930s as well, and this would push China in the right direction somewhat. Not sure racism is a deal breaker when it comes to fascism either. For me I just define fascism as mostly about power. I don't have a problem with including nationalism. |
Author: | Cynosure [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:27 pm ] |
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Racism alone doesn't make one a fascist, otherwise FDR would be a fascist, which he obviously wasn't, but you cannot be a fascist without racism. Whether it was Mussolini or Hitler (obviously), racial supremacy was at the forefront of their ideology (along with a one party state). That's why even though I don't like him I don't think Trump can as of now be described as a fascist. He has clear authoritarian tendencies and has been very complacent towards white supremacists, but he has mostly shown respect, even if begrudgingly, for the checks and balances (Supreme Court decisions, Obamacare not being repealed by the Senate, the House impeaching him, mass protests in the streets, the media criticizing him, etc). However, should he refuse a peaceful transition of power, then he would immediately become a fascist. However, I don't think it's so much born out of his own virtue but rather that it is a sign of how solid American institutions are, for better and for worse. |
Author: | Flava'd vs The World [ Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:44 am ] |
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zwackerm wrote: Flava'd vs The World wrote: Proud Boy Republicans on June 6, 1944: "Why are we invading Normandy and shooting at people just for disagreeing with us?" I am all for debate and different opinions, but I feel like we have enough of it without giving voices to the worst people of all time. Lol it’s almost like the Nazis were exterminating the Jews. |
Author: | lilmac [ Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:05 pm ] |
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Flava'd vs The World wrote: Proud Boy Republicans on June 6, 1944: "Why are we invading Normandy and shooting at people just for disagreeing with us?" I am all for debate and different opinions, but I feel like we have enough of it without giving voices to the worst people of all time. "This, ladies and 'gentlemans' is an example of a strawman argument. |
Author: | Algren [ Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:55 am ] |
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Cynosure wrote: Article 4 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China : Quote: 1. All nationalities in the People's Republic of China are equal. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the minority nationalities and upholds and develops the relationship of equality, unity, and mutual assistance among all of China's nationalities. Discrimination against and oppression of any nationality are prohibited; any acts that undermine the unity of the nationalities or instigate their secession are prohibited. The state helps the areas inhabited by minority nationalities speed up their economic and cultural development in accordance with the peculiarities and needs of the different minority nationalities. 2. Regional autonomy is practiced in areas where people of minority nationalities live in compact communities; in these areas organs of self-government are established for the exercise of the right of autonomy. All the national autonomous areas are inalienable parts of the People's Republic of China. 3. The people of all nationalities have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages, and to preserve or reform their own ways and customs. Citing their constitution is as useless as Harvey Weinstein scribbling "I respect women" on a piece of paper and using it as proof that he's innocent of all his crimes. Judge a dictatorship on their actions, not their propaganda. |
Author: | DP07 [ Sun Oct 09, 2022 10:06 am ] |
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None of the above. I’ve accidentally staged a coup/mutiny for classified reasons. You may continue on with you everyday life as if nothing has happened. You will never again, under any circumstances, have control of the forums returned to you. Have a nice day. |
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