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So do I have the full list of all the right leaning posters?

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baumer even though he hasn't posted here in 11 years, Chippy hijacked WOKJ twitter account for a bit to post woke stuff and they were arguing

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Not a US citizen but I lean more for Dems' style

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If you weigh the scales across the community, I would say left leaning. The fact there is more than 1 right leaning poster means there is 1 more than @ BOT.

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Because I live in the US I am left leaning. If I lived where my wife is from I would be right leaning

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Because I live in the US I am left leaning. If I lived where my wife is from I would be right leaning


Where's she from?

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Oh nice. Have you visited yet? Looks beautiful on tv.

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Only been once thus far in March. Western Europe in general is beautiful with all of its history.

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If you wanna know, just do a mass pm with the words “Heil Hydra” and see who responds.


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Proud Boy Republicans on June 6, 1944: "Why are we invading Normandy and shooting at people just for disagreeing with us?"

I am all for debate and different opinions, but I feel like we have enough of it without giving voices to the worst people of all time.


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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
Proud Boy Republicans on June 6, 1944: "Why are we invading Normandy and shooting at people just for disagreeing with us?"

I am all for debate and different opinions, but I feel like we have enough of it without giving voices to the worst people of all time.


Lol it’s almost like the Nazis were exterminating the Jews.


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The Nazis were the ones cancelling free speech/debate.

They were also left wing, like virtually every other modern dictatorship.

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Nazis were right wing who wanted Germany to return to their pre-liberal times under the First Reich

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Their 25 point plan

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1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.

23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:

(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.

(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.

(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.

Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.

24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.

The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the pinciple:

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.


At least at the time this was written the name National Socialism was not a joke. This is like a Bernie plan except nationalist/racist.

You could argue however that they stopped caring as much once they used socialist message to get in power. Although they had a lot of government spending and basically used the New Deal as their response to the Depression, I believe.

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I'm left-leaning in my own country (France), so in the US I would be to the left of Bernie Sanders. :funny:


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There is typically a confusion with right-wing as a terminology. It does not inherently mean capitalism vs socialism as much as it means status quo vs change as the terms left and right refer to the two different houses under the French parliament circa the late Bourbon house. The right side of the house was that of aristocracy and the chamber on the left was that to represent the common and typically pushed for change.

Fascism as it came into being in both Italy and Germany (and although not by name, but in ideals in Japan) is a right-wing philosophy as it pushes for extreme nationalism and militarism at its roots, the two of which in these adore mentioned countries came under the rhetoric not of a better and new future, but rather as a return to glory. It is why the movement in Germany, with many, many differences of course, gets likened by foreign historians as akin to the rise of Fascism in Europe. Again, there are many many differences that typically get ignored in these comparisons, but back when Steve Bannon was still a key figure the similarities were scarily more present with his call for a nationalized economy and a push to close borders.

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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
There is typically a confusion with right-wing as a terminology. It does not inherently mean capitalism vs socialism as much as it means status quo vs change as the terms left and right refer to the two different houses under the French parliament circa the late Bourbon house. The right side of the house was that of aristocracy and the chamber on the left was that to represent the common and typically pushed for change.


I agree this is a solid definition of left wing and right wing, but was Hitler not advocating for change during his rise to power? That's why he gained popularity - with the state of Germany in 1920s he promised change.

If you say that he was left wing when he was advocating change, but became right wing as soon as he became the authority, you would also have to claim Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. became right wingers when they took over, or that pre election Trump was a left winger. I wouldn't hate that concept since the most common used version of left wing vs right wing (more like socialism vs... not socialism) is unsatisfying and confusing, but in practice it's not how people use it.

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Fascism as it came into being in both Italy and Germany (and although not by name, but in ideals in Japan) is a right-wing philosophy as it pushes for extreme nationalism and militarism at its roots, the two of which in these adore mentioned countries came under the rhetoric not of a better and new future, but rather as a return to glory. It is why the movement in Germany, with many, many differences of course, gets likened by foreign historians as akin to the rise of Fascism in Europe. Again, there are many many differences that typically get ignored in these comparisons, but back when Steve Bannon was still a key figure the similarities were scarily more present with his call for a nationalized economy and a push to close borders.


Does militarism and nationalism have to be right wing? Many countries have had strong militaries beyond just the right wing ones. America has had a stronger army for decades than Germany ever did, and (until Trump at least) they were considered fairly moderate. Communist countries have militaries.

Likewise, communist countries are all about nationalism. Countries like China and North Korea are the MOST nationalistic of anyone.

Would you call Xi Jianping and Kim Jong Un fascists? To me they seem like perfect modern examples. How is China not one of the closest modern comparisons to Nazi Germany? They run the Nazis playbook with propaganda and media, etc. and are even toying with genocide right now. China is all about promoting how China is better than everyone else. Likewise Stalin and Mao were fascist dictators if anyone was. If fascism is about a group or person having total power and nationalism, many of the best examples have been communist dictatorships.

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Is Shack comparing Bernie to the Nazis? I .....am speechless

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The CCP under Mao and for several decades after actually condemned Han chauvinism*. Although there has been a resurgence of Han supremacy and Han ethnocentrism in the past few years, legally speaking China still considers itself a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural state.

Article 4 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China :

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1. All nationalities in the People's Republic of China are equal. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the minority nationalities and upholds and develops the relationship of equality, unity, and mutual assistance among all of China's nationalities. Discrimination against and oppression of any nationality are prohibited; any acts that undermine the unity of the nationalities or instigate their secession are prohibited. The state helps the areas inhabited by minority nationalities speed up their economic and cultural development in accordance with the peculiarities and needs of the different minority nationalities.

2. Regional autonomy is practiced in areas where people of minority nationalities live in compact communities; in these areas organs of self-government are established for the exercise of the right of autonomy. All the national autonomous areas are inalienable parts of the People's Republic of China.

3. The people of all nationalities have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages, and to preserve or reform their own ways and customs.


Now of course it's still authoritarian and very harsh in the way it oppresses religious group and certain minority groups who are seen as threatening the unity of the state, which is typical of left-wing communist regimes, but I think it makes it different from Fascism or Nazism. In fact even under the one child policy an exception was made for most ethnic minorities who were allowed one additional child. Seems pretty different from sending an entire ethnoreligious group to be exterminated.

*https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/could-han-chauvinism-turn-the-chinese-dream-into-a-chinese-nightmare/


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The CCP under Mao and for several decades after actually condemned Han chauvinism*. Although there has been a resurgence of Han supremacy and Han ethnocentrism in the past few years, legally speaking China still considers itself a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural state.

Article 4 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China :

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1. All nationalities in the People's Republic of China are equal. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the minority nationalities and upholds and develops the relationship of equality, unity, and mutual assistance among all of China's nationalities. Discrimination against and oppression of any nationality are prohibited; any acts that undermine the unity of the nationalities or instigate their secession are prohibited. The state helps the areas inhabited by minority nationalities speed up their economic and cultural development in accordance with the peculiarities and needs of the different minority nationalities.

2. Regional autonomy is practiced in areas where people of minority nationalities live in compact communities; in these areas organs of self-government are established for the exercise of the right of autonomy. All the national autonomous areas are inalienable parts of the People's Republic of China.

3. The people of all nationalities have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages, and to preserve or reform their own ways and customs.


Now of course it's still authoritarian and very harsh in the way it oppresses religious group and certain minority groups who are seen as threatening the unity of the state, which is typical of left-wing communist regimes, but I think it makes it different from Fascism or Nazism. In fact even under the one child policy an exception was made for most ethnic minorities who were allowed one additional child. Seems pretty different from sending an entire ethnoreligious group to be exterminated.

*https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/could-han-chauvinism-turn-the-chinese-dream-into-a-chinese-nightmare/


They are not as racist, but I wouldn't say their track record is perfect either as seen by the current Uighurs situation. The entire world in general, has become much less racist since the 1930s as well, and this would push China in the right direction somewhat.

Not sure racism is a deal breaker when it comes to fascism either. For me I just define fascism as mostly about power. I don't have a problem with including nationalism.

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Racism alone doesn't make one a fascist, otherwise FDR would be a fascist, which he obviously wasn't, but you cannot be a fascist without racism. Whether it was Mussolini or Hitler (obviously), racial supremacy was at the forefront of their ideology (along with a one party state).

That's why even though I don't like him I don't think Trump can as of now be described as a fascist. He has clear authoritarian tendencies and has been very complacent towards white supremacists, but he has mostly shown respect, even if begrudgingly, for the checks and balances (Supreme Court decisions, Obamacare not being repealed by the Senate, the House impeaching him, mass protests in the streets, the media criticizing him, etc). However, should he refuse a peaceful transition of power, then he would immediately become a fascist.

However, I don't think it's so much born out of his own virtue but rather that it is a sign of how solid American institutions are, for better and for worse.


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zwackerm wrote:
Flava'd vs The World wrote:
Proud Boy Republicans on June 6, 1944: "Why are we invading Normandy and shooting at people just for disagreeing with us?"

I am all for debate and different opinions, but I feel like we have enough of it without giving voices to the worst people of all time.


Lol it’s almost like the Nazis were exterminating the Jews.
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Proud Boy Republicans on June 6, 1944: "Why are we invading Normandy and shooting at people just for disagreeing with us?"

I am all for debate and different opinions, but I feel like we have enough of it without giving voices to the worst people of all time.



"This, ladies and 'gentlemans' is an example of a strawman argument.

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Article 4 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China :

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1. All nationalities in the People's Republic of China are equal. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the minority nationalities and upholds and develops the relationship of equality, unity, and mutual assistance among all of China's nationalities. Discrimination against and oppression of any nationality are prohibited; any acts that undermine the unity of the nationalities or instigate their secession are prohibited. The state helps the areas inhabited by minority nationalities speed up their economic and cultural development in accordance with the peculiarities and needs of the different minority nationalities.

2. Regional autonomy is practiced in areas where people of minority nationalities live in compact communities; in these areas organs of self-government are established for the exercise of the right of autonomy. All the national autonomous areas are inalienable parts of the People's Republic of China.

3. The people of all nationalities have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages, and to preserve or reform their own ways and customs.




:funny: :funny: :funny:

Citing their constitution is as useless as Harvey Weinstein scribbling "I respect women" on a piece of paper and using it as proof that he's innocent of all his crimes. Judge a dictatorship on their actions, not their propaganda.

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