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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
In regards to a post I just deleted, please do not do things like say someone cannot have an opinion on something because of their skin colour, and that includes white
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:30 pm |
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Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48626 Location: Arlington, VA
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Shack wrote: In regards to a post I just deleted, please do not do things like say someone cannot have an opinion on something because of their skin colour, and that includes white That is not at all what I said, but go off I guess. It's just as well, I don't know why I even bother. All you and Alex Y. even do on this board is gaslight people.
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:53 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:15 pm Posts: 36923
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Shack wrote: In regards to a post I just deleted, please do not do things like say someone cannot have an opinion on something because of their skin colour, and that includes white Just checking did you actually delete someone else's post? We as this board's administrators should not be doing that without warnings. There are people on both sides here so it's best to edit parts of posts instead after several warnings. Also given that you are actively part of these conversations please report the post for another administrator (does not have to be me) to review before taking any action.
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:35 pm |
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Alex Y.
Top Poster
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:47 pm Posts: 5708
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
I didn’t see the deleted post, but hoping there is no need for deleting of posts here (especially from those I disagree with). I know my posts here would be deleted in many other places, and appreciated that this place was not so heavily censored.
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:37 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 38234
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Jack Sparrow wrote: Shack wrote: In regards to a post I just deleted, please do not do things like say someone cannot have an opinion on something because of their skin colour, and that includes white Just checking did you actually delete someone else's post? We as this board's administrators should not be doing that without warnings. There are people on both sides here so it's best to edit parts of posts instead after several warnings. Also given that you are actively part of these conversations please report the post for another administrator (does not have to be me) to review before taking any action. I thought I was following your precedent, but in the future I will PM first I do not see posts that start with the words "White man" as on any less thin ice than if someone was arguing with a black poster and started by derogatorily calling them Black Man. But I'm aware since most other forums now subscribe to critical race theory reverse mirrorland where words like toxic whiteness and white fragility is not considered racism compared to if you substituted black for white in those phrases, some leeway can be allowed
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:42 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:15 pm Posts: 36923
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
I am not arguing about the post and your actions Shack but I have never deleted posts on the forum (and that only happened once after multiple warnings to the poster in question) though I have heavily edited them without warnings.
As for your individual case because you seem invested in one side of the conversation I feel it's unfair to other posters that you are allowed to delete their posts from Politics forum. Please continue to do so in other forums as part of your administrator duties.
Thank you for understanding and I hope all posters understand the reasons why we take these actions. Please feel free to debate and bring your points in a healthy conversation to this forum.
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:14 pm |
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Rev
Romosexual!
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:06 am Posts: 32125 Location: the last free city
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Libs wrote: Shack wrote: In regards to a post I just deleted, please do not do things like say someone cannot have an opinion on something because of their skin colour, and that includes white That is not at all what I said, but go off I guess. It's just as well, I don't know why I even bother. All you and Alex Y. even do on this board is gaslight people. Put the post back, Shack.
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:09 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:15 pm Posts: 36923
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Rev wrote: Libs wrote: Shack wrote: In regards to a post I just deleted, please do not do things like say someone cannot have an opinion on something because of their skin colour, and that includes white That is not at all what I said, but go off I guess. It's just as well, I don't know why I even bother. All you and Alex Y. even do on this board is gaslight people. Put the post back, Shack. Unfortunately once a post is deleted it cannot be returned back.
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:25 pm |
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GuybrushX McMurphy
Cream of the Crop
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:28 pm Posts: 2796 Location: Germany
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Shack
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:41 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 38234
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
It was a one line post by that responded to Alex's Kaepernick post by implying that he's making it because he's a white man, a card that I think leads nowhere good, and felt hostile enough at the time that it could have been responded to as a personal attack. Yes I may have acted too fast and acted on my own biases towards identity politics and belief anti-white posts should be treated the same as anti-black (which I believe most want not to be allowed), as I intend this to be a free speech forum.
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:03 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23903 Location: Classified
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Making a free speech forum = deleting posts you don’t agree with.
#RepublicanLogic
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:16 pm |
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 20415 Location: Where they shot Knock at the Cabin
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Yeah what Libs said was not worth deleting any more than her average post is.
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:41 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Flava'd vs The World wrote: Making a free speech forum = deleting posts you don’t agree with.
#RepublicanLogic Would you be ok if with me deleting a post if someone was arguing with Magnus and referred to him as "Brown man" in a antagonistic context? I would be ok with a forum that's the wild wild west 4chan style in terms of rules, but I don't think people want that 100% hands off style, and that's not how things have been handled the last 15 years. The only thing therefore to do is to act consistently and due to my beliefs I'm not going to treat any races differently when it comes to how it's not cool to refer to someone's while arguing with them.
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:13 pm |
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Rev
Romosexual!
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:06 am Posts: 32125 Location: the last free city
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Shack wrote: It was a one line post by that responded to Alex's Kaepernick post by implying that he's making it because he's a white man, a card that I think leads nowhere good, and felt hostile enough at the time that it could have been responded to as a personal attack. Yes I may have acted too fast and acted on my own biases towards identity politics and belief anti-white posts should be treated the same as anti-black (which I believe most want not to be allowed), as I intend this to be a free speech forum. At least talk to the others in charge before just deleting it. Don't do that again.
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:24 pm |
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48626 Location: Arlington, VA
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
For the record, my post was not criticizing Alex Y. for having an opinion as a white man...this would be patently ridiculous given that I'm a white woman, lol. I took issue with his post seeming to lecture people about what/when things became appropriate or didn't or became racist or didn't, in 2018 vs. 2021, etc. All I was saying is that, BECAUSE of his position as a white man who does not have to deal with the associated racism and/or perceptions of it, he should not be in a position to tell people ("the mob" or "the woke" as they have been referred to on KJ) what to think about it and "when" people considered antebellum glorification racist. That's all. It's less about finding fault with the argument itself (he is entitled to his opinions on this, no matter how much I might disagree) and more being aware of the sensitivity surrounding the issue for black people that he really can't speak to in his position. Granted, this is also me assuming Alex Y. is a white man. Maybe he is not and I have totally missed the pot here. Quote: 2020 was the big shift, that’s when Lady Antebellum became Lady A and Dixie Chicks became The Chicks. Back in 2018 most people didn’t realize those groups were considered racist.
It wasn’t only in 2020 that standing for the national anthem was considered racist. If you ever stood for the national anthem before 2020, then you have been a racist, even if you plead ignorance. If you dare try to say someone shouldn’t be cancelled for standing for the National Anthem back in 2018 since it was a different time, then you are also a racist who should be cancelled as well, because Colin Kaeparnick already told us it was racist to do so already back in 2016, and you’re a racist for not realizing until 2020.
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:37 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23903 Location: Classified
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Shack wrote: Flava'd vs The World wrote: Making a free speech forum = deleting posts you don’t agree with.
#RepublicanLogic Would you be ok if with me deleting a post if someone was arguing with Magnus and referred to him as "Brown man" in a antagonistic context? I would be ok with a forum that's the wild wild west 4chan style in terms of rules, but I don't think people want that 100% hands off style, and that's not how things have been handled the last 15 years. The only thing therefore to do is to act consistently and due to my beliefs I'm not going to treat any races differently when it comes to how it's not cool to refer to someone's while arguing with them. People called Magnus a Paki all the time. We know you love 4chan style considering you reposted all of the outrageous conspiracy rhetoric that directly lead to a terrorist attack on the American capitol. Impeach Shack?
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:00 pm |
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Alex Y.
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
First of all, I wanted to clarify my comments about National Anthem (since it’s not entirely obvious to me upon reading it back) was meant as a point of comparison since most of us have stood for the National Anthem and not wore traditional period dresses (though I do think a future celebrity will get criticized for standing for it in public once lockdowns are over), and it’s not my personal claim that standing for National Anthem is necessarily an act of racism. In terms of Chris Harrison being a white man, it is the responsibility of the interviewer to not ask questions they deem inappropriate or offensive to be answered. If Rachel Lindsey really believe white men shouldn’t have an opinion on this subject, she should take responsibility for both allowing him to have that platform on her show and directly asking him questions about this topic. For the premise that only a black person whose ancestors were slaves can speak to this topic, I would then say following that premise, then even people like Kamala Harris or Barack Obama have no right to speak either, since they were both descendants of slaveowners. It is unfair to group privileged and underprivileged together as one group. In terms of my personal identity, like Martin Luther King says, I do not wish to be judged by the color of my skin and Eli eve only racists would find relevance in my divulging that information. Also, I enjoy my online privilege to identify as whatever gender I’d like to be considered as. Libs wrote: For the record, my post was not criticizing Alex Y. for having an opinion as a white man...this would be patently ridiculous given that I'm a white woman, lol. I took issue with his post seeming to lecture people about what/when things became appropriate or didn't or became racist or didn't, in 2018 vs. 2021, etc. All I was saying is that, BECAUSE of his position as a white man who does not have to deal with the associated racism and/or perceptions of it, he should not be in a position to tell people ("the mob" or "the woke" as they have been referred to on KJ) what to think about it and "when" people considered antebellum glorification racist. That's all. It's less about finding fault with the argument itself (he is entitled to his opinions on this, no matter how much I might disagree) and more being aware of the sensitivity surrounding the issue for black people that he really can't speak to in his position. Granted, this is also me assuming Alex Y. is a white man. Maybe he is not and I have totally missed the pot here. Quote: 2020 was the big shift, that’s when Lady Antebellum became Lady A and Dixie Chicks became The Chicks. Back in 2018 most people didn’t realize those groups were considered racist.
It wasn’t only in 2020 that standing for the national anthem was considered racist. If you ever stood for the national anthem before 2020, then you have been a racist, even if you plead ignorance. If you dare try to say someone shouldn’t be cancelled for standing for the National Anthem back in 2018 since it was a different time, then you are also a racist who should be cancelled as well, because Colin Kaeparnick already told us it was racist to do so already back in 2016, and you’re a racist for not realizing until 2020.
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:28 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Guys it was a genuine mistake from Shack and not in regards to his political affiliation. We have talked and he understands his sensitive position on Politics forum. Let's not gang on him as I am sure he will be careful in future about this. Let's proceed with rest of our discussions as even with all the fights this is the most spicy and informative forum at KJ right now
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:42 pm |
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j_forest23
Star Trek XI
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
zwackerm wrote: Rev wrote: cancel culture is not a real thing. Lol. It's absolute bullshit, there's a difference between holding others accountable for their actions and finding shit to drag people's names through the mud and go after their reputation with a mob like mentality and take glee in trying to tarnish their reputation. It's all on a case by case basis of course but some people (especially fucking twitter) just love to see people "fall from grace" (except not really) and it's fucking pathetic. I'm all for preaching tolerance(and as a gay man I am in a marginalized group-though not by race) but some people take it entirely too far, and also with making 40 minute YT videos about SATC and Gossip Girl and pointing out every single problematic trope from shows that ended years ago and if the reboots will be "woke" or not. Enough already!!
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 38234
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
Yes, there have been times when Republicans "cancelled" someone. Has there been any right wing equivalent to the current bloodthirsty mob of wokesters that go around actively searching for reasons to cancel people (including cancelling regular people for things like a Halloween costume or cancelling a random high school girl for a racial slur from years ago, let alone celebrities for any slip up) and use shame as a weapon therefore making everyone else walk on eggshells? No. I would also say situations like Kaepernick and JK Rowling are different than the normal cancellations as it was their decision to make the political statement and invite the firestorm, there has always been celebs doing that from time to time like Sinead O'Conor tearing up the picture of the pope. The current version started with the justified cancellations during MeToo and then ended with them having a hammer and everything else looking like a nail.
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:31 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:20 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
What about the time Emmet Till was cancelled for whistling at a white woman?
At least people survive in liberal Consequence Culture. Their voices just get a little quieter.
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:30 pm |
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 20415 Location: Where they shot Knock at the Cabin
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
So apparently they canceled 6 Dr. Seuss books last year due to “racist imagery”.
And To think that I saw it on Mulberry Street McElligotts Pool On beyond zebra If I ran the zoo The cats Quizzer Scrambled eggs super
Seems like a Easy solution would be to edit the illustrations rather than stop Publishing classic works of children’s literature but ok.
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:21 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Re: Predict the next celebrity to get canceled!
I think we’re losing our ability to understand moral ambiguity as a culture. It’s gotten very Kantian as of late
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