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Snrub
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Re: Children of Men
BJ wrote: starting a batman related discussion, these posts should be moved to the dark knight thread. Why? There's no rule against discussing another film in a film's Everybody's A Critic thread.
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Mannyisthebest
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Re: Children of Men
Actually to tell you the truth I had no idea what the Joker was up to.
He was contradicting himself in a million ways.
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:32 pm |
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Snrub
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Mannyisthebest wrote: Actually to tell you the truth I had no idea what the Joker was up to.
He was contradicting himself in a million ways. And yet everything always seemed to work out perfectly in his favour... hmmm... I call foul,
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:34 pm |
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A. G.
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Re: Children of Men
This is related to my main problem with Children of Men. We were supposed to get a chilling sense of randomness and chaos but it all looked very planned out, as if Clive Owen were walking through an elaborate theme park ride with stuff happening on cue around him.
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:36 pm |
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Snrub
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Re: Children of Men
Archie Gates wrote: This is related to my main problem with Children of Men. We were supposed to get a chilling sense of randomness and chaos but it all looked very planned out, as if Clive Owen were walking through an elaborate theme park ride with stuff happening on cue around him. I guess that's just the way you saw the film. Personally, I thought everything that happened to him happened as a result of a fairly organic script. Yes, his quest was sequential and progressively bigger, but it didn't strike me as being obvious or pre-ordained. Characteristically, it all fit together.
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A. G.
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Re: Children of Men
Snrub wrote: Archie Gates wrote: This is related to my main problem with Children of Men. We were supposed to get a chilling sense of randomness and chaos but it all looked very planned out, as if Clive Owen were walking through an elaborate theme park ride with stuff happening on cue around him. I guess that's just the way you saw the film. Personally, I thought everything that happened to him happened as a result of a fairly organic script. Yes, his quest was sequential and progressively bigger, but it didn't strike me as being obvious or pre-ordained. Characteristically, it all fit together. One thing I did like about Children of men though was that it didn't take a comic book hero, someone intended to entertain little kids, and make a bloody, gruesome, dark depressing film out of it that is not really suitable for kids. I hear Nolan is next up working on an R-rated version of Pinky and the Brain. So in that sense, CoM comes off a bit better.
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:46 pm |
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Jonathan
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Re: Children of Men
As much as I love this movie, I gotta say, this thread got...
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:15 pm |
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Chippy
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Re: Children of Men
Snrub fails at life.
FAILS!!!
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:00 pm |
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Chippy
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Re: Children of Men
To make peace... I did read a raving review of CoM yesterday that kinda makes me want to see it... Click!
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:03 pm |
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Michael.
No Wire Tampons!
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Re: Children of Men
Snrub wrote: Archie Gates wrote: This is related to my main problem with Children of Men. We were supposed to get a chilling sense of randomness and chaos but it all looked very planned out, as if Clive Owen were walking through an elaborate theme park ride with stuff happening on cue around him. I guess that's just the way you saw the film. Personally, I thought everything that happened to him happened as a result of a fairly organic script. Yes, his quest was sequential and progressively bigger, but it didn't strike me as being obvious or pre-ordained. Characteristically, it all fit together. Im with archie, it felt like that Beverly Hills Cop 3 thing where theres the gas tanker that explodes etc. I wasnt thrilled with this movie at all. Massively disappointed in fact. I just didnt connect with the film at all, largely thanks to Clive Owen being blank as a slate, but also because all character development was sacrificed because character development isn't earmarked as "realistic" and clearly, this film had no qualms at sacrificing integral parts of a movies fundamental basis in the strive for the creaton of realism. Essentially, because it forgets so much of what makes a moivie good in the process, the film becomes unbelievable. Ironic really. The whole thing with his parents was both the best and worst thing about the movie.
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Snrub
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Re: Children of Men
Son of a bitch.
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Re: Children of Men
Where's the problem?
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Snrub
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Re: Children of Men
Well, it would appear the Children of Men thread has been roundly thrashed by The Dark Knight thread.
But rest assured, you may have won the battle, TDK fans, but you shan't win the war. I'll continue my efforts to keep this thread alive long after the hubbub over TDK has died down and you've all skipped merrily onto your next "obsession of the week".
Will I still be fighting this war 50 years from now? Make it a hundred.
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Box
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Re: Children of Men
Well, you know Snrub, at least this is the better film.
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:05 pm |
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Chippy
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Re: Children of Men
Box wrote: Well, you know Snrub, at least this is the better film. If you didn't love Wall-E... I might have to kill you.
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Chippy
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Re: Children of Men
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:33 pm |
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Snrub
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Re: Children of Men
Box wrote: Well, you know Snrub, at least this is the better film. That is true. Also, Children of Men had a better second weekend hold.
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:57 pm |
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Chippy
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Re: Children of Men
It got outgrossed in less than 24 hours...
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:59 pm |
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Snrub
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Re: Children of Men
Munk·E wrote: It got outgrossed in less than 24 hours... While your consolation is appreciated, I feel obliged to say the following: So's your mum. That said, where better to make my 8000th post on KJ than in my favourite thread. And with the added bonus of using my favourite insult ("so's your mum") to boot! So's your mum, KJ. So's your mum...
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:19 pm |
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i.hope
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Re: Children of Men
I think Jiffylush's comment in this thread several months ago about the film as related to the book was right.
The theme of Children of Men (the book) is outright politics. If you expect something sci-fi-ish coming out from it, you are on the wrong page. The PD James novel is a critique of the police state as a result of an "idle" citizenship who is willing to compromise individual liberty for security and comfort "provided" by the government. The futuristic scenario is just a means to an end --- hopelessness is a catalyst for passive citizenship.
The film took the futuristic scenario but ignored the political undertone of the book. I don't think the filmmakers did justice to the book.
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:35 pm |
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BK
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Re: Children of Men
I gave this film an A before I saw it. It's like an F for living up to expectations. Overall like a C or D.
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:47 am |
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Snrub
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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Re: Children of Men
BK wrote: I gave this film an A before I saw it. It's like an F for living up to expectations. Overall like a C or D. Did you happen to like The Dark Knight by any chance?
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:28 pm |
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Tyler
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Re: Children of Men
Michael. wrote: Snrub wrote: Archie Gates wrote: This is related to my main problem with Children of Men. We were supposed to get a chilling sense of randomness and chaos but it all looked very planned out, as if Clive Owen were walking through an elaborate theme park ride with stuff happening on cue around him. I guess that's just the way you saw the film. Personally, I thought everything that happened to him happened as a result of a fairly organic script. Yes, his quest was sequential and progressively bigger, but it didn't strike me as being obvious or pre-ordained. Characteristically, it all fit together. Im with archie, it felt like that Beverly Hills Cop 3 thing where theres the gas tanker that explodes etc. I wasnt thrilled with this movie at all. Massively disappointed in fact. I just didnt connect with the film at all, largely thanks to Clive Owen being blank as a slate, but also because all character development was sacrificed because character development isn't earmarked as "realistic" and clearly, this film had no qualms at sacrificing integral parts of a movies fundamental basis in the strive for the creaton of realism. Essentially, because it forgets so much of what makes a moivie good in the process, the film becomes unbelievable. Ironic really. The whole thing with his parents was both the best and worst thing about the movie. Funny, I have the exact same opinions of when I was watching The Kingdom last night, from both Archie and Michael. If one looks at Owen being blank in this film or there not being character development, they weren't paying attention. I know Owen doesn't outright say, "My life fucking SUCKS but I'm going to find solace through putting a light in pitch black", but his mannerisms and the very subtle, intelligently-placed bits of backstory should be pretty clear on that. That's way more realistic and less contrived than flashbacks or epiphanies, and at this point in film history, way more effective. It's like the people who complained about Lost In Translation being empty or boring or plotless or 2D because Bill Murray didn't make broad brushstrokes of emotion or didn't outright say or even act on "I'm lonely and I love you and though I can't have you, I'll pretend I can for just a little while".
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:21 pm |
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Michael.
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Re: Children of Men
I loved Lost in Translation. It's actors actually did develop through doing pretty much nothing.
Clive Owen, however, is no Bill Murray, or even Scarlett Johansson (shudder).
I don't ask for my movies to be obvious, I ask for them to pull of subtle. Also why is this being compared to The Dark Knight? They are super different.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:58 am |
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Snrub
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Re: Children of Men
Michael. wrote: I loved Lost in Translation. It's actors actually did develop through doing pretty much nothing.
Clive Owen, however, is no Bill Murray, or even Scarlett Johansson (shudder).
I don't ask for my movies to be obvious, I ask for them to pull of subtle. Also why is this being compared to The Dark Knight? They are super different. It's not so much that the two are being compared, as such. It's more that they're the #1 and #2 threads (in terms of post counts) in the Everyone's a Critic section. My goal is to keep CoM on top. So far, I'm not doing a very good job. But then, I am vastly outnumbered.
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