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| Author: | zwackerm [ Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
They got the voice actors to come back, but this looks cheap. Not a good replacement for Indiana Jones in the draft lol. Thinking maybe 25m opening 75m total. |
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| Author: | Shack [ Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish Predictions |
11 years late sequel for a spin off nobody was that excited about... Probably should've gone straight to streaming |
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| Author: | O [ Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish Predictions |
Given DW milked the Shrek franchise for all it was worth from with 4 sequels and this spinoff over a 10 year period, was strange to hear about the sequel and studio restraint (or lack of ideas)? Even with 11 years passed, the Shrek franchise while dated, still was a big part of the 00s box office. I was also always impressed but Puss In Boots first 3 weekends: Oct 28-30 1 $34,077,439 -1 Nov 4-6 1 $33,054,644 -3% Nov 11-13 3 $24,726,193 -25.2% Think the character might still have some appeal that it could squeak past $100M. They could also do a cameo or something and set up for a Shrek 5... |
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| Author: | MadGez [ Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish Predictions |
IIRC Puss in Boots was a 2 day OW? Hence the low drop in it's 2nd weekend. Still good numbers. Edit: scrap this, not correct. Not sure why I thought it had a 2 day OW. |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish Predictions |
It had Halloween on its second day so it's weekend was depressed |
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| Author: | O [ Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish Predictions |
Think Brother Bear had that two day. Puss In Boots had a Sat which likely was dominated by Halloween parties as its second day but Halloween was the following Monday. |
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| Author: | MadGez [ Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish Predictions |
Yes thanks. I confused it with Brother Bear and looks like it's Saturday was indeed depressed. |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish Predictions |
The latest trailer looks much better, add in the Christmas release date, and I think this could be a hit on par with the first film |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Thinking this will do well now and changing it to a club. The release date is stellar and the animation style looks gorgeous. Should also benefit from some Shrek nostalgia. Strange World on the other hand looks generic and dull and will also suffer from the LGBT controversy that tainted Lightyear. |
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| Author: | Algren [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Double the gross of Strange World? Gee, I wouldn't have thought so. I think The Last Wish's ceiling is $120 million, so I just cannot see the Disney film making less than $60 million. But buzz and marketing on Strange World is rather silent. It is definitely coming to theatres, right? I wouldn't put it beyond Disney to scrap its release in favour of Disney+. I didn't know about the gay character. That should hurt it and, unlike Lightyear, it won't have brand recognition to fall back on. But the animation in The Last Wish truly sucks. To be honest, I feel like they're both duds in one way or another. But sure, The Last Wish has a great release date where it can eek out more millions, and it has the brand familiarity with Shrek. It's a tough one, but I still feel doubling Strange World's gross would be an astonishing feat for a dispensable character's belated and unneeded sequel. On a related note, Strange World is going to have a ghastly global rollout. It's already not coming out in France (going straight to Disney+), and with the gay character it will almost assuredly be banned in the Middle East and much of Asia, and China will not give it a release because it's at odds with Disney for some arbitrary reason. Russia's probably questionable, too. It's at a huge disadvantage. |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Algren wrote: Double the gross of Strange World? Gee, I wouldn't have thought so. I think The Last Wish's ceiling is $120 million, so I just cannot see the Disney film making less than $60 million. But buzz and marketing on Strange World is rather silent. It is definitely coming to theatres, right? I wouldn't put it beyond Disney to scrap its release in favour of Disney+. I didn't know about the gay character. That should hurt it and, unlike Lightyear, it won't have brand recognition to fall back on. But the animation in The Last Wish truly sucks. To be honest, I feel like they're both duds in one way or another. But sure, The Last Wish has a great release date where it can eek out more millions, and it has the brand familiarity with Shrek. It's a tough one, but I still feel doubling Strange World's gross would be an astonishing feat for a dispensable character's belated and unneeded sequel. On a related note, Strange World is going to have a ghastly global rollout. It's already not coming out in France (going straight to Disney+), and with the gay character it will almost assuredly be banned in the Middle East and much of Asia, and China will not give it a release because it's at odds with Disney for some arbitrary reason. Russia's probably questionable, too. It's at a huge disadvantage. Strange World is safe from a Disney+ debut because Disenchanted is coming out on Disney+ same day and they wouldn't release 2 big films same day. I could easily see Last Wish match Sing 2 from last year and Strange World top out below 80m. |
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| Author: | O [ Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
I could see this club become Puss In Boots 5X Strange World club now. Variety released their Puss In Boots review and they call it here DWA's best film since the How To Train Your Dragon trilogy. Lyle's subdued run and Strange World flopping completely open this one up for major breakout. Feel better about it than Lyle since it has the Shrek aura so could play like a Minion/DM type franchise run. Given Sing somehow made $275M from serving an unserved family market I'm feeling major breakout now for Puss In Boots 2. Could see it challenge $200M to double my previous total estimate. Moana had its 5th week, while Trolls had its 8th. |
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| Author: | Algren [ Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Yeah, this is happening now lol |
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| Author: | MadGez [ Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Yes - this film should absolutely clean up. Can't help but feel we are in for a Avatar/Boots/Whitney breakout akin to Avatar/Sherlock/Chimpunks in 2009 (though smaller scale) |
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| Author: | Shack [ Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Hopefully leads to Shrek 5 |
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| Author: | MadGez [ Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
I think Shrek is due for a return so this could very well seal the deal. The new DW logo intro features Shrek prominently so it does look like a return is imminent. |
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| Author: | lilmac [ Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Quote from a 2011 article: Quote: “Puss in Boots” cost $130 million to produce, and it earned Dreamworks’ third-worst debut for a computer animated film, beating only “Flushed Away” and “Antz,” which started with $18.8 million and $17.2 million, respectively. https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/31/showbiz/ ... office-ew# The first one was saved by that amazing hold in its 2nd weekend. It was needed after a very tepid OW. https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Puss- ... box-office |
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| Author: | lilmac [ Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
MadGez wrote: Yes - this film should absolutely clean up. Can't help but feel we are in for a Avatar/Boots/Whitney breakout akin to Avatar/Sherlock/Chimpunks in 2009 (though smaller scale) Good memory. 3 films grossed above $48M that Christmas weekend.  https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office- ... 2009/12/25 |
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| Author: | O [ Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Lyle is up 61% from last Thursday. It's PTA has more than doubled since it lost 27% of its theaters last weekend. Granted kids are getting out of school but it's legged out a $3.6M Friday pretty far. Puss In Boots could literally pull a Sing here so would not be shocked if it ends up doubling it's own predecessor. |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Strange World bombed so hard that this club could still succeed times 3 even with a disappointing OD for PIB |
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| Author: | zwackerm [ Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Looking to at least triple and possibly quadruple it. |
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| Author: | MadGez [ Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
lilmac wrote: MadGez wrote: Yes - this film should absolutely clean up. Can't help but feel we are in for a Avatar/Boots/Whitney breakout akin to Avatar/Sherlock/Chimpunks in 2009 (though smaller scale) Good memory. 3 films grossed above $48M that Christmas weekend. https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office- ... 2009/12/25 Amazing BO in late 2009. This year's trio didn't quite replicate thanks to the Whitney film but 2 out of 3 aint bad. |
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| Author: | O [ Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Box office tracking is fascinating because its a data driven view that shows how impatient we can be and predefine things as a failure or success. For instance, would we rather have had an Avatar $200M / $750M run and Puss $35M / $150M run over Christmas vs reality of Avatar $134M / $750M* est run and Puss $12M / $150M run? Studios get more revenue from the front end and big movie OWs incentivizing them that way, but its healthy for overall long term box office having wom hits that keep steady flow of people coming over a longer period. Also doesn't tie in as well to shareholder expectations to get maximal revenue in for Q4 but two very different runs would have led to the same grosses defined above. So which one ends up being better overall? Studios like big OW, theaters like long runs. I always lean toward leggy runs. I like the element of surprise like Avatar creeping up on TGM slowly vs dead giveaways OW but seems like the studios still want to do everything possible to limit long runs (with streaming windows ridiculously early for instance). |
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| Author: | MadGez [ Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
I prefer leggy runs (as most of KJ do I believe). Yes, huge weekends are amazing to follow (especially when they are game changers like Spidey 1, TFA, Endgame etc) - however leggy runs are almost always more memorable - Titanic, Sixth Sense, MBFGW, Avatar, TGM etc. And agreed - leggy runs help theatre owners who need the extra support right now |
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| Author: | Algren [ Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Puss in Boots the Last Wish 2X Strange World Club |
Oh yes, leggy runs all the way. For a similar comparison, snooker; I much prefer the long tactical frames to the big breaks where one player cleans up in four minutes. |
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