Forgot about Mad Max and Kill Bill. I was just going off memory. I actually still have a lot of movies I haven’t seen from the last 15 years, including Fury Road. And I do want to see it; I loved the original trilogy. I wouldn’t really consider Aliens to be action. And I’d have to ask what EEAAO stands for.

I mean Kill Bill might be more interesting in many other ways, but in terms of action Underworld is more memorable to me.

The reality is that there are simply are not as many female staring action films made. It is underserved, as you said. That doesn’t mean they are necessarily a tougher sell though. Many male staring action movies do poorly, there are just more of them.

Here are the MI movies adjusted for inflation:

Mission: Impossible $383,664,957
Mission: Impossible II $374,469,239
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol $249,127,686
Mission: Impossible - Fallout $233,585,667
Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation $221,374,683
Mission: Impossible III $191,734,562
Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One $175,000,000*

Unfortunately this will be the worst performing MI movie in terms of admissions of all time, even worse than MI3. Maybe $19M this weekend for $118M tally. Giving it a 4X multiplier gets it to $175M. However, that may be too optimistic as this could even miss $170M.

Will probably close with about 570m WW. Not as big a flop as Indy or Flash, but looks like it will still lose like 100m

Will probably close with about 570m WW. Not as big a flop as Indy or Flash, but looks like it will still lose like 100m

So strange they made this a 2 parter. I think they could've made this just one movie, it's not like the submarine weapon thing or the villain are that interesting and it doesn't really end with a 'I must know what happens next'

I knew this would not get a Top Gun bump but I didn't see sub-180m gross coming. Just unfortunate circumstances.

I've updated the MI list with updated ticket price ($10.81 Q1 2023).

Mission: Impossible (1996) $442,627,341
Mission: Impossible II (2000) $432,018,407
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol (2011) $286,071,806
Mission: Impossible - Fallout (2018) $261,762,854
Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation (2015) $251,425,810
Mission: Impossible III (2006) $221,200,436
Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One $165,000,000*

Average #1-6: $317.52M
Average #4-6: $266.42M

Much worse with the updated pricing. Will be the worst attended in the franchise by 25%. Will drop 37% from Fallout attendance. Even taking out the initial films will be down nearly $100M from the average of the MI movies from the last 12 years.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/IFFnZuZ4QY4

Tom Cruise being asked about Barbenheimer. He gave a great answer (he’ll see them both). But man, imagine busting your butt on a film for years and then getting asked about another movie.

That's one question in a press junket of 1000s of questions about MI7. Tom is incredibly coy about how he loves to watch everything, He recently praised Flash and Indy as well.

Yeah, but this is more Prisoner of Azkaban than View to a Kill or Star Trek the final frontier. When you're around for 25+ years, sometimes fatigue happens, usually with bad films or a any number of reasons, This has the reviews and won't be a box office disaster in any way.

I think in many ways it just shows the box office is back, but not back on a week to week basis. Considering last year had 5 films basically dominate the summer weeks apart without any huge releases, we had our first taste of a week to week releases and audiences aren't quite there yet. They are still holding out because they are used to it. Last year basically had Strange, Top Gun a month Later, Then Jurassic World, then Thor, and Elvis and Bullet train kind surprised. This year they went back to basically 12 high profile films back to back, and they all kind of did the same business as those 6.

We're not getting those huge weekend numbers on a regular basis (now with the strike) for probably another 2-3 years.

double

double again, and throw it on all the hard ways.

I don't think we ever will. I think COVID and streaming have just changed the way people consume movies. Instead of waiting until Friday each week and seeing the new big movie, it's more laidback. People still come out for big movies they want to see but they're not locked in to this routine of New Movie on Friday. Of course, some people are wanting this back, but Generation Z doesn't seem to be built that way and they're what's fueling the box office successes these days it seems.

I agree. Although the sample size is small, I have heard people express their eagerness to watch a movie whenever it is released on a streaming platform. I believe there are many people who prefer streaming as their default way of accessing entertainment. This shift in preference is similar to how the pandemic has changed people's expectations about working in an office.

Hopefully Barbenheimer will show the new generation (and remind the old generations) that watching movies in theaters is an experience while watching movies at home is a way to burn time. Even with our awesome tvs and sound systems it just isn't the same.

For people with kids, I sympathize and support your decision to put them up for adoption so you can see more movies in theaters.

To be honest, the movie experience argument is a crap shoot. Outside of comedies or horror movies with a group of friends, I want to be alone and experience the movie. The last real saving grace was previews but now even that is all fucked up to the point you can go to a 7pm showing of the biggest film ever, and there are only 10 people in there. Are there exceptions, sure.

Theater, sports, and concerts will live on, movies will move on, but they will need to adapt the most, because that’s the avenue everyone wants a piece of. Though I’m excited to see indoor PGA. Sounds horrible on paper. Golf is like tennis or nascar, switch back every hour across 3 days and get a sense of it.

Actual went down $125K.

$10,600,121 -45% $139,108,154

From a 3X multiplier, MI7 will finish with $160.3M. Let's see how it holds against TMNT and Meg with theater loss but feel like my projection keeps going lower.

I don’t think I’ve seen so many decently reviewed films just get forgotten in a summer. Mario, Spiderverse, and Barbie are really big indicators a new demographic is in charge. I think what our 32-45 demographic was has been changed dramatically. I think the pandemic frantically shifted those of us in our mid 30s to suddenly being in our 50s demographic

I don't know if I agree that one generation's taste got ushered out and a new one in so fast. I think it's plausible the existing Gen Z and millennial audience that was previously into IP porn and superhero films just had a sudden shift in mentality of getting tired of it and something new becoming trendy. I believe it's possible people can shift mentally at the same time like that and the energy can change especially in internet era. In particular Oppenheimer is great for millennial males who became Nolan fans in TDK and Inception era.

You all are so old. I remember when everyone here was late teens / early 20s. I, however, have not aged.

I’m 35 bitch! But it’s changing, I think marvel, top gun and our love of comic books will hold us in there,but I don’t think anyone of us think Mario, spiderverse•s animation style or Barbie really hooked us. We were all about Keaton, Indy, and hunt’s return. Fastformers as well ( dam if they knew what was good for them!)

A life-changing event, such as a global pandemic, can expedite such a change.

I feel like by late 2021 the superhero era was doing fine (No Way Home, Venom, Shang Chi, etc.) which was well after the pandemic started, but yes, there could be delayed effects.

I don't think the pandemic had an impact on tastes - especially the demise of comic book films.

The MCU was on a natural decline post Infinity Saga which ended neatly in 2019. Spider-man was unique in it's use of the multiverse to give audiences what they wanted - especially after 20 months of lack of movies in theatres.

Then the quality did suffer, the multiverse is a bore and doesn't live up to the Infinity Saga, the TV shows may have diluted oversaturated etc.

The DCU - well we know what happened there.

The pandemic did change habits, however. Streaming over theatrical but hopefully that reverses to some extent (at least for comedies and dramas whic were hardest hit).

I always think back to Disney (ABC)'s handling of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.

Season 1: Became the #1 show. They put it on 3 times per week and averaged 30 million viewers. Millionaire was the #1, #2 and #3 rating show of the 1999-2000 season.

Season 2: In 2000-2001, it was ranked #3, #4 and #8.

Season 3: In 2001-2002, ranked #33 and 49th (and night version was essentially cancelled).

So goes the story of the mouse house of cyclical oversaturation.

Yes, that's a great case study. They did the exact same thing with the version of the show we had here in Oz as well. Insane.

And Iger also did it with Star Wars - releasing them every year (including RO and Solo).