Can I also say the marketing is not as good as fallout, it’s more Rogue Nation. But the plane stunt was more impressive than the bike stunt. That being said, I still see 80-100 million opening. If part 2 is marketed as the last and part one is to quality form, it should see the big payoff.

I wonder as a hypothetical, if they finish MI next year when Cruise is 61/62, and they bring it back in 20 years for nostalgia like TGM and how Ford is going back to IJ5, how would it do?

Feel probably not that significant since there have been so many MI movies and there was only 1 TG movie so huge pent up demand. But wondering what a bit of a break would do to drive up interest...

Flop. Nobody believes an 80 year old in an action role. Cruise is already going hard on the botox/fillers/face lift (also looks like he got his chin done---again) trying to stave off his expiry date but it will happen. MAYBE as a 'elder trains the next generation of spy' plot.

I agree with Barrabas. I also know Cruise won't do it. He's too smart.

I believe MI:8 is the last one for Tom. During it's marketing, sometime next year, he'll announce it .

Feels like Tom will just turn Top Gun into his new main series. He's already the "old guy who is better than the young guys" in Maverick so it will be easy.

and a lot LESS physical activity to perform on his old ass body

So it has Algren’s sexist stamp of approval.

Why is Algren complaining about the women and not Tom Cruise? They are probably all tougher than him or more “traditionally stereotypically masculine” than him.

I know, he wants more tough guys like Simon Pegg.

Being excessively female doesn't help action movies. That's why I'd like to see less women. But as per usual in this pathetic woke world it's equal at four men and four women on the poster. Ugh.

Did Paula Patton get cancelled? She was great as the strong but sexy woman on the team in Ghost Protocol. Ilsa is too much of a rogue for that role.

To be honest, I can’t help but think it should probably make 300m. I can’t deny it. The environment is right; it feels more relevant in 2023; with Russia, Ukraine, Jan. 6, and all the other events since the release of “Fallout”. Plus, of course, the intelligence leaks, and the documents found at the residences of Pence, Biden, and especially Trump. Then there’s China, its spy balloons, and controversy over TikTok and Huawei. People have been under increased stress since 2018, this is probably the right movie at the right time. I don’t want to speculate about 400m or something, but I can’t say it’s impossible. Part 2 will probably gross more than part 1. Actually I’d say it almost certainly will. It’s almost impossible to imagine how it couldn’t. As for an MI:9; it really depends on how 7 and 8 go, but I have to think it should happen. Yeah, cruise has “Top Gun”, but he doesn’t really have anything else. There’s a limited number of franchises he could resurrect from the 80s and 90s.

Another thing, fantasy, comic book, and sci-fi obviously does well at the Box Office. Mission Impossible has always, by nature, been a combination of fantasy and more, at least ostensibly or intended, “realism”. Of course, filmmaking, or storytelling and entertainment, is often prioritized in movies like it, or others like say, “Swordfish”. But I do think there is less of a focus this time on exaggerated and embellished elements as there were in the past, especially compared to the last 3 movies and MI:2. At least from what I can see from the trailer. I think that’s a good or positive thing. I think it seems to do something that’s very hard to do, which is to maintain the energy, interest, and sense of spectacle, while not getting increasingly lost, focused, obsessed, or having its perspective and storytelling skewed or distorted by the unrealism, fantasy, and clichés of its fictional universe. So in that sense, it seems to be the exception to that “rule” or at least tendency.

It really does have “Skyfall” vibes in many ways; the potential is there; but of course you have to ask…if it’s impossible. It should only need to open with 75m-90m. Remember, Fallout had a good multiplier, and was really well received. This should do even better, both because of Fallout, and what I expect from Dead Reckoning; both parts 1 and 2. When I think about it, I don’t see why they shouldn’t make a “Dead Reckoning: Part 3 actually; whatever the story, I’m sure they can extend it. Like they did from “Ghost Protocol” and “Rogue Nation” to “Fallout”.

“Skyfall” opened with only about 88m, which wasn’t that much more than “Quantum of Solace” (67m or so). In terms of openings, “Quantum of Solace” actually increased more from “Casino Royale” (about 40m I think).

And “Mission: Impossible”’s audience is generally older, and isn’t getting any younger, which will only help it hold. It’s one of the reasons the “Top Gun” sequel wasn’t frontloaded, like many other franchises that have more recently been in theaters.

Oh please, if they are pathetic, your entire species is pathetic.

Women can be more than fine in action movies. The “Underworld” and “Resident Evil” movies are better than the boring, generic shit you like. Even “Aeon Flux” and “Ultraviolet” were. That submarine movie that bombed like 5-7 years ago (I think it stared Gerald Butler, but I’m not even interested enough to look it up), was awful and boring. You loved it, like the few people who will go to see every Stallone movie in recent years.

Also, if Hollywood can make Tom Cruise into an “action star”, than “Hollywood Magic” isn’t limited to that, and can make an “action star” out of many women.

He chooses females movies that made peanuts!
This is a box office discussion thread you tool. And FWIW I loved Underworld and its sequel. How about you direct this back towards the films and their box office and not at personal taste.

You know, Tom Cruise is only 5”7’. Rebecca Ferguson is 5”5’, but the other three women are all the same height as Tom Cruise. And I honestly don’t think Tom Cruise could beat any of them in a real fight, and that’s not only because of his age. They all obviously trained for this movie. But you seem to care more about his penis for whatever reason. That should be weird.

Katie Holmes beat his ass in the real life game of Mission Impossible getting their daughter out of that cult and walking away with millions, so it's completely appropriate he would be overshadowed by women in this film.

Oh yeah, if only Stallone could get a staring role in a big franchise event film. Except he won’t, and there’s almost certainly no reason he would or should.

I mean I could mention The Matrix, Tomb Raider, Hunger Games, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, or the recent Star Wars films, but I consider them more fantasy or comic book movies than primarily action films. Of course they have action, but they have many things. And if you want to say those are not real action movies, then you admit my point, and concede all the big “action” or fantasy, sci-fi, and comic book movies since 1999. Besides maybe “Bad Boys”, but still, that was Michael Bay.

And yeah, “Resident Evil” and “Underworld” are not that different than “The Matrix” but still, they depend less on special effects and big budget manipulation. Otherwise you’re left with a bunch of movies that make next to nothing in recent years, half probably starting a tired and aging Stallone. Or the “Expendables”, which like “Once Upon A Time in Hollywood” invests everything possible, everything they have, to try to recreate nostalgia and faded memories of past glory.

Btw, my “Tool” belongs to me. It’s mine, and serves no other. I wish I didn’t have to say that, but you made me.

there's 1 female lead action movie for every 10 male starring action movie. females aren't given enough opportunities to kill it at the boxoffice sadly. like the real world Hollywood isn't fair and that sucks!

In a very encouraging sign for Barbie I'd expect, MI's director and Cruise posted on social media them getting tickets to see Barbie and Oppenheimer and IJ5 and encouraging moviegoers to see all of them and MI.

In return Greta and Robbie took photos of them getting tickets for MI, IJ and Oppenheimer.

It's great movies in July are supporting each other (sorry IJ won't likely be enough to save you) but in all my years following box office I haven't seen anything like this. I think they know how strong the buzz is on Barbie and trying to latch on to that phenomenon as much as possible to ensure MI doesn't get lost in the shuffle. It almost feels a bit of an attempt for them to get viral marketing by pre-anticipating the Barbie team would respond (which they did).

Just fascinating and good for Barbie but now a bit more concerned for MI.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 235525322/

This feels overshadowed, I don't think the Top Gun halo effect is going to help much. Reviews are important for this since the last ones had great ones.

The halo effect will still have some benefit imo in regions in the heartland of people that maybe saw their first Cruise movie in years with TGM and will give this a chance but agreed it's much more muted than it could have been. Unfortunately it would have been much more impactful if given more room. Uncharted literally came out 2 months after Spider-man. 14 months after TGM's release may have been getting overconfident in how big a deal a Cruise movie was going to be and completely getting caught off guard how big Barbie and Oppenheimer buzz would get to.

Losing Imax for 3 weeks is a pretty big deal and it's going to be hard to see a longer run from MI with it's second weekend B+O+Imax loss triple whammy.

And of course, I see that Barbie and Margot are trending again on social media with pictures of them seeing MI. Cruise played this card well but definitely alarming from a box office angle for MI.

Picking underworld and resident evil (terrible films) as examples of great female-led action films instead of, idk, mad max: fury road, aliens, kill bill, EEAAO and the likes is...a choice

I don't mind at all personally and these are some of my favorite films, but they are a tougher sell at the box office unfortunately. Still they can work and sometimes even be big hits (like wonder woman and captain marvel, though I don't have much fondness for either one of these myself), so clearly there is an audience for them as well, though a very much underserved one.