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Post Re: Japan Box-Office: Golden Week 2023 - New Record
RRR is pretty wild lmfao. What even is this run?


Tue May 09, 2023 12:13 am
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I am thinking

120 mon
90 tue
110 wed
150 thu (?? toho hat event)
110 fri
450 sat
500 sun

for mario.

Hoping for higher weekend jump but I am not really sure. Something like 550-600 would be really good and a nice insurance that the film can make up for weak weekdays over the weekend. If it jumps like doraemon it can get there. We shall see.


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Post Re: Japan Box-Office: Golden Week 2023 - New Record
JustLurking wrote:
RRR is pretty wild lmfao. What even is this run?

It should be close to the best multiplier of all-time, right?


Tue May 09, 2023 4:59 am
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Rouk' wrote:
JustLurking wrote:
RRR is pretty wild lmfao. What even is this run?

It should be close to the best multiplier of all-time, right?

Corpse would need to answer that but 55x its 2-day weekend (44x 3-day) has to atleast be up there :wacko:


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All-Time Best Multipliers (¥1 Billion Earners; Wide Openers) [1997-]

01. x51.07 - Titanic (Dec., 1997)
02. x36.97 - Bohemian Rhapsody (Nov., 2018)
03. x33.70 - Parasite (Jan., 2020)
04. x33.34 - Frozen (Mar., 2014)
05. x30.37 - Spirited Away (July, 2001)
06. x26.99 - Princess Mononoke (July, 1997)
07. x26.92 - Your Name. (Aug., 2016)
08. x26.13 - Avatar (Dec., 2009)
09. x23.21 - Departures (Sept., 2008)
10. x19.96 - Les Miserables (Dec., 2012)


Here was the Top 10 best multipliers the last time he posted, so RRR does top the list.


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R136a1 wrote:
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All-Time Best Multipliers (¥1 Billion Earners; Wide Openers) [1997-]

01. x51.07 - Titanic (Dec., 1997)
02. x36.97 - Bohemian Rhapsody (Nov., 2018)
03. x33.70 - Parasite (Jan., 2020)
04. x33.34 - Frozen (Mar., 2014)
05. x30.37 - Spirited Away (July, 2001)
06. x26.99 - Princess Mononoke (July, 1997)
07. x26.92 - Your Name. (Aug., 2016)
08. x26.13 - Avatar (Dec., 2009)
09. x23.21 - Departures (Sept., 2008)
10. x19.96 - Les Miserables (Dec., 2012)


Here was the Top 10 best multipliers the last time he posted, so RRR does top the list.

Bit of a problem though is that RRR only opened in 200 theaters which iirc does not qualify as wide opener.


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How well do you think the SpyxFamily film in Dec will do Corpse? Any chance of it breaking 10 billion yen and target JJK0? Looking at the tv ratings it seems to be closer in popularity to Kimetsu than JJK but the movie is going to be an anime original.


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How well do you think the SpyxFamily film in Dec will do Corpse? Any chance of it breaking 10 billion yen and target JJK0? Looking at the tv ratings it seems to be closer in popularity to Kimetsu than JJK but the movie is going to be an anime original.

Ratings are definitely way closer to JJK s1 than DS but it is higher than JJK. 10b is possible imho.

DS usually averages 17-20 on combined SxF is ~10 and JJK s1 iirc peaked ~8 (ratings not viewer numbers). But then DS is more popular nationwide than kyoto area would indicate since end of year report had DS s2 highest eps at 25M and 26M DS with avg 18M viewers while SxF did not make top5 (<7.5M avg).


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JustLurking wrote:
I am thinking

120 mon
90 tue
110 wed
150 thu (?? toho hat event)
110 fri
450 sat
500 sun

for mario.

Hoping for higher weekend jump but I am not really sure. Something like 550-600 would be really good and a nice insurance that the film can make up for weak weekdays over the weekend. If it jumps like doraemon it can get there. We shall see.


This looks possible, though I'd have Wednesday matching Monday at least. And not sure on Thursday.

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JustLurking wrote:
KazusaTouma1102 wrote:
How well do you think the SpyxFamily film in Dec will do Corpse? Any chance of it breaking 10 billion yen and target JJK0? Looking at the tv ratings it seems to be closer in popularity to Kimetsu than JJK but the movie is going to be an anime original.

Ratings are definitely way closer to JJK s1 than DS but it is higher than JJK. 10b is possible imho.

DS usually averages 17-20 on combined SxF is ~10 and JJK s1 iirc peaked ~8 (ratings not viewer numbers). But then DS is more popular nationwide than kyoto area would indicate since end of year report had DS s2 highest eps at 25M and 26M DS with avg 18M viewers while SxF did not make top5 (<7.5M avg).


Yeah, Spy x Family should be considered a ¥10 billion candidate. Being an original vs adapting part of the manga is a bit concerning, but I don't think it's a deal-breaker right now.

I would be surprised if it's able to get up to that ¥13/14 million range though. Manga sales never reached crazy levels (very good, of course, but not crazy), and while the anime got around 7.5 million viewers (is that the avg. or peak, JustLurking?), it'd need the majority of that to come back to see the movie a couple times which is possible with giveaways. So, not ruling it out ¥13/14 billion, but it feels a bit too high to me.

Plus, the movie itself would either need to be great and/or have something to attract more than just diehard fans.

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“We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.”
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
“You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.”
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JustLurking wrote:
R136a1 wrote:
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All-Time Best Multipliers (¥1 Billion Earners; Wide Openers) [1997-]

01. x51.07 - Titanic (Dec., 1997)
02. x36.97 - Bohemian Rhapsody (Nov., 2018)
03. x33.70 - Parasite (Jan., 2020)
04. x33.34 - Frozen (Mar., 2014)
05. x30.37 - Spirited Away (July, 2001)
06. x26.99 - Princess Mononoke (July, 1997)
07. x26.92 - Your Name. (Aug., 2016)
08. x26.13 - Avatar (Dec., 2009)
09. x23.21 - Departures (Sept., 2008)
10. x19.96 - Les Miserables (Dec., 2012)


Here was the Top 10 best multipliers the last time he posted, so RRR does top the list.

Bit of a problem though is that RRR only opened in 200 theaters which iirc does not qualify as wide opener.


I have the cutoff at 100 theaters, since that's usually around the number a film needs (or at least receives) when they play in all eight regions of Japan. It's not always true, it's possible for under 100 theaters for this to be true and more to be false... but I thought it was a fair average. 100 is also 25/30% of the maximum number of standard theaters a film can receive in Japan. And this is higher percentage wise than the 600 theaters (15/20%) that is considered a wide release in the U.S. by Nielson, so going higher than 100 seems too much.

RRR is such a unique and weird film. It never really grew much after opening in October (I recall some of its early weekends were bigger than the OW, but not by a lot), and it hasn't really declined much either after its first month or two. It just keeps doing about the same small numbers every week as if the same people (like... 50,000 or something) are coming back again and again... and again... for 7 months so far.

I need to update the multiplier chart anyway, so I'll add RRR to it when I do. It's definitely a weird #1, its total is a tiny fraction of every other film, but there's not really a reason to exclude it either.

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“We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.”
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
“You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.”
"Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."


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Corpse wrote:
JustLurking wrote:
KazusaTouma1102 wrote:
How well do you think the SpyxFamily film in Dec will do Corpse? Any chance of it breaking 10 billion yen and target JJK0? Looking at the tv ratings it seems to be closer in popularity to Kimetsu than JJK but the movie is going to be an anime original.

Ratings are definitely way closer to JJK s1 than DS but it is higher than JJK. 10b is possible imho.

DS usually averages 17-20 on combined SxF is ~10 and JJK s1 iirc peaked ~8 (ratings not viewer numbers). But then DS is more popular nationwide than kyoto area would indicate since end of year report had DS s2 highest eps at 25M and 26M DS with avg 18M viewers while SxF did not make top5 (<7.5M avg).


Yeah, Spy x Family should be considered a ¥10 billion candidate. Being an original vs adapting part of the manga is a bit concerning, but I don't think it's a deal-breaker right now.

I would be surprised if it's able to get up to that ¥13/14 million range though. Manga sales never reached crazy levels (very good, of course, but not crazy), and while the anime got around 7.5 million viewers (is that the avg. or peak, JustLurking?), it'd need the majority of that to come back to see the movie a couple times which is possible with giveaways. So, not ruling it out ¥13/14 billion, but it feels a bit too high to me.

Plus, the movie itself would either need to be great and/or have something to attract more than just diehard fans.

It's less than 7.5M average, can't really know how much exactly since it didn't chart on the EoY report from videor
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I *think* it's not too far, probably like ~6.5 or 7, it had really good combined ratings so unless it was a crazy overperformer in kyoto area it shouldn't have missed by much


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Corpse wrote:

I have the cutoff at 100 theaters, since that's usually around the number a film needs (or at least receives) when they play in all eight regions of Japan. It's not always true, it's possible for under 100 theaters for this to be true and more to be false... but I thought it was a fair average. 100 is also 25/30% of the maximum number of standard theaters a film can receive in Japan. And this is higher percentage wise than the 600 theaters (15/20%) that is considered a wide release in the U.S. by Nielson, so going higher than 100 seems too much.

RRR is such a unique and weird film. It never really grew much after opening in October (I recall some of its early weekends were bigger than the OW, but not by a lot), and it hasn't really declined much either after its first month or two. It just keeps doing about the same small numbers every week as if the same people (like... 50,000 or something) are coming back again and again... and again... for 7 months so far.

I need to update the multiplier chart anyway, so I'll add RRR to it when I do. It's definitely a weird #1, its total is a tiny fraction of every other film, but there's not really a reason to exclude it either.

Ah I see, I seemed to remember the wide mark being higher, woopsie

Corpse wrote:
JustLurking wrote:
I am thinking

120 mon
90 tue
110 wed
150 thu (?? toho hat event)
110 fri
450 sat
500 sun

for mario.

Hoping for higher weekend jump but I am not really sure. Something like 550-600 would be really good and a nice insurance that the film can make up for weak weekdays over the weekend. If it jumps like doraemon it can get there. We shall see.


This looks possible, though I'd have Wednesday matching Monday at least. And not sure on Thursday.

I went a bit lower with wed because I'm not sure about how much female appeal mario really has and because it had a pretty poor tuesday drop relative to the rest of the top10, and thursday is kind of a ? since I'm not exactly sure how wide this hat thing is going to be


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I won't recommend adding RRR because it's makes record runners like Titanic &Bohemian Rhapsody looks poor (sorry my reasoning looks dump but I really don't want to accept this change like a tiny ¥2.0B topped Titanic record lol never). Sorry I am still looking foolish but please :sweat:

In The Corner Of This World opened with ¥47,042,090 / 32,032 admits ~ grossed ¥2.7B / 2.1M admits record 57.45x run for 1,837 days.

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Snow White (1937) opened on 26 Sep 1950 did ¥230K Rental OW at 300 SC, ¥560K on September. Trending was so strong over months, ended with ¥73.33M at 1st run. Multiple at 318.29x

OW Gross estimate at ¥310K &Final at ¥110.78M - 357.35x

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I understand the argument against adding small openers that don't really expand much nor grow at the box office, instead they just play forever padding their total and raising their multiplier. It's a different kind of impressive than a film playing super wide delivering a big opening weekend, and still going on to achieve a very high multiplier.

RRR looks very out of place on the Biggest 20th-onward Weekend Charts for example. Its total after 5, 6, 7 months is comparable to the first week totals of the other films on the charts. This isn't the same as including it, or any small film, on the Multiplier Chart, it just shows the considerable difference in their runs.

I'll think it over. I feel bad putting some new requirement in place (let's just say 200 theaters) to exclude it or others. Maybe I can do a separate chart for the smaller films and post it beneath the already established one? Open to ideas here!

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“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
“You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.”
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Back to RRR, haha. WHO is seeing it after all this time still, I wonder? Its weekly numbers are still comparable to those from last year.

The numbers are so small, and have always been small, that I find it hard to believe it's this ultra-WOM smash. If that was the case, it would have managed to grow at some point, right? Doing similar numbers, keeping it either just inside or just outside the Top 10 every week with some fluctuation here and there is very unusual when it never started out big nor grew bigger before eventually find a stabilizing point.

I don't know what the Indian population is in Japan (other than it being very small, of course), but is it possible that a portion of them just keep coming back every week or every couple of weeks to support it?

Like, I'm not saying WOM isn't good, obviously, if it wasn't it would have declined and/or played out of theaters by now. It's connected with someone. But it also can't be reaching many people because its numbers haven't grown. It seems too farfetched to imagine it's somehow finding almost the same number of new moviegoers who hear about it every week for nearly 7 months now.

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“We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.”
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
“You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.”
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I will look charts back to 1946. There is probably Jaws/ET or a Star War movie topping RRR. Till then, I will ask you to give it a pause because if we add RRR above Titanic then Industry will look humiliated like Demon slayer doing more than Star Wars: Force Awaken.

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Since, the Golden Globe Winning, the graph never fell. Must to do with nostalgia of Song "Nato Nato" &Frequent IMAX Re-screening stabilising lost ground. This Film is pretty much PLF heavy &it did more in IMAX here than in home nation. That's what I know.


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Look I gave FSS numbers and they Called me jealous, lol


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Hey, exposure! Haha.

I don't think it's "jealousy." Just trying to make the charts as fair as possible. I might add RRR to the established chart, I'm not sure yet, or I might make a "small film" chart to include it and others that have been excluded (like In This Corner of the World).

RRR is having a crazy, unprecedented run. I don't think anyone is denying that, just trying to make it balanced.

Also, you can share the multipliers of old films before 1980 (that'd be cool to see), but I won't include them on the multiplier chart. At least not with the films on the list right now. You can compare films in Japan from the 90s until today in many ways as the market has been largely stagnant for the past 30 years, but comparing multipliers from this timeframe to a film from the 40s/50s or something isn't going to be fair since they'll dominate it.

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“We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.”
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
“You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.”
"Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."


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Corpse, will the parameters within 1980-till present be good?

I will start my re-search and gave you an update soon! :sweat:

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Corpse wrote:
Hey, exposure! Haha.

I don't think it's "jealousy." Just trying to make the charts as fair as possible. I might add RRR to the established chart, I'm not sure yet, or I might make a "small film" chart to include it and others that have been excluded (like In This Corner of the World).

RRR is having a crazy, unprecedented run. I don't think anyone is denying that, just trying to make it balanced.

Also, you can share the multipliers of old films before 1980 (that'd be cool to see), but I won't include them on the multiplier chart. At least not with the films on the list right now. You can compare films in Japan from the 90s until today in many ways as the market has been largely stagnant for the past 30 years, but comparing multipliers from this timeframe to a film from the 40s/50s or something isn't going to be fair since they'll dominate it.


Pretty much won't deny it's success but need at most is a fair and chart on goodwill :thumbsup:

Small Film Chart doesn't look like a bad idea. I am agreeing with it.

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After Wednesday, Day 13, I'm estimating that Super Mario is ~70,000 admissions away from 5 million. So, it's either hitting 5 million on Day 14 or 15. If Thursday is similar to Tuesday, which it tends to me, it'll have to wait until Friday (Day 15). But if the hat giveaway at select Toho Cinemas give it a bump tomorrow, then it'll happen on Thursday (Day 14).

Either way, 14 or 15, it'll be the third fastest film to reach the 5 million admissions milestone.

Fastest Films to 5 Million Admissions:

7 Days - Demon Slayer: Mugen Train (2020)
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10 Days - One Piece Film Red (2022)
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14 or 15 Days - The Super Mario Bros. Movie (2023) *Projection*
16 Days - Jujutsu Kaisen 0 (2021)
16 Days - Howl's Moving Castle (2004)
16 Days - Spirited Away (2001)
17 Days - Detective Conan: The Black Iron Submarine (2023)
17 Days - Yo-Kai Watch: It's the Secret of Birth, Nyan! (2014)
17 Days - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002)
17 Days - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)
18 Days - Your Name. (2016)
19 Days - Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)
20 Days - Beauty and the Beast (2017)
20 Days - Frozen (2014)
20 Days - Ponyo (2008)
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21 Days - Alice in Wonderland (2010)
21 Days - Bayside Shakedown: Save the Rainbow Bridge! (2003)
21 Days - The Matrix Reloaded (2003)
22 Days - Suzume (2022)
22 Days - Frozen II (2019)
22 Days - Weathering With You (2019)
22 Days - Detective Conan: The Fist of Blue Sapphire (2019)
22 Days - Code Blue (2018)
22 Days - Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (2007)
24 Days - Detective Conan: The Bride of Halloween (2022)
24 Days - Toy Story 4 (2019)
24 Days - Aladdin (2019)
24 Days - Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)
24 Days - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007)
24 Days - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006)
25 Days - The Da Vinci Code (2006)
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26 Days - The Wind Rises (2013)
26 Days - Rookies (2009)
27 Days - Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005)
27 Days - The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2004)
28 Days - Arrietty (2010)
29 Days - Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005)
30 Days - Detective Conan: Zero the Enforcer (2018)
30 Days - One Piece Film Z (2012)
30 Days - Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 (2011)

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I'd be curious to see info for older films' multipliers even if they aren't getting added to the chart.


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