Reviews are going up slightly and a few negatives at 60% or higher rated rotten I don’t get. There hasn’t been one review that ford isn’t good or that it’s not better than Crystal Skull. Negative reviews for over abundance of action, ok? Did everyone expect Logan Indy?

Bring on Back to the future 4

Been seeing stuff on twitter that this is actually good lol so huh

Still mediocre presales. I am not seeing these reactions changing the pace that much. That said with good WOM it will have a good run despite crazy competition. MI7 is having shows in its 2nd sunday !!!

I love that the OW for MI will actually be its second weekend.

I think walk ups for this will be very strong, but still don’t think they’ll make it the hit it needs to be.

Thinking maybe 80/240 at this point.

75m | 190m

I am still seeing sub 70m OW. Presales pace is meh and are well below Flash. Previews are under 2/3 of Flash and daily pace is about the same as well !!! Friday is slightly better(3/4 of flash). I am expecting 7-8m previews at this point. Even with better walkups over the weekend and better IM, I am not seeing more than 8x.

It has risen to a fresh tomato at RT.

The world has obviously moved on. Movies I think will do well rarely do anymore. I guess I'm now old, lol.

Though I did say Mario would be yuge, so there's that.

Which probably backfired resulting in the low cinema score as the role was greatly reduced in post

Holding steady at my $52M OW prediction. This is just so tired at this point and will only appeal to older moviegoers who don't rush out OW.

Seriously how many under 25’s actually have seen the Indy films let alone like or love them. Not many. It’s a tired franchise. I was a kid during the heyday of these films and can’t get pumped for this. That said - it’s the final hurrah so hopefully it can gain some traction over its run. It at least comes into a weak marketplace and has 2 weekends to itself.

IJ5 will still likely be saved by its global box office but if it somehow manages an OW below $50M, it could give The Flash a run for its money as biggest domestic flop OW of the year. With a $295M budget (!) would at least expect it to have a lengthier run than The Flash due to its older demographic (and its hard not to drop 81% as I don't expect the 50+ crowd to rush out to that extent OW) so it will be able to save face. Also it will get included in those IJ box sets so people will have to buy it to get the first 3 eventually, allowing the studio to recoup their $295M in costs one set at a time.

I just think Studios got spoiled by late 2010s numbers.

Lots of franchises that have done well recently started in the 80s, don’t see why Indiana Jones is different franchise wise than Top Gun.

Only difference was the marketing plus the initial Cannes reviews

Not a $300M budget.... Did they really think they had a good chance of recouping?? It's giving money laundering. Like I refuse to believe people who are supposed to know all about the film industry really thought audiences would want to see an 80 year old in this role so bad that they would recoup a $300M budget.

The difference in success between Top Gun 2 and Indy 5 is going to be insane. You can include Matrix Resurrections as in the same camp as them too. TGM will look weirder and weirder the more distance there is from it.

I think a lot of the success of Top Gun Maverick is similar to the success that made Animal Crossing New Horizons one of the biggest video games of all time: circumstances. Top Gun came out right as the protocols of the pandemic were starting to really be in the rear view mirror, and so many people who normally don’t go see movies wanted to celebrate this moment with a film that think they’d enjoy. Mix this in with being a good film to boot that appeared to be the antithesis to so many blockbusters coming out over the past few years and you had a monster of a success

Adjusted for inflation grosses for IJ:

IJ1 $810,024,538
IJ2 $489,735,899
IJ3 $452,078,614
IJ4 $404,031,567
IJ5 $162M? (40% retention)?

The fact that IJ4 still retained 89.4% 19 years after IJ3 showed the value the IP still had to drum up interest in the late 2000s. 15 years later though, we could possibly see 40% retention ($162M total).

This feels a lot like the Matrix franchise. The two sequels in 2003 left a bad taste in moviegoers mouths that a new Matrix movie in 2021 completely flopped despite the fact how much more relevant and bankable Reeves has stayed vs Ford with the John Wick franchise. Matrix also feels very dated and seemed relevant with the dawn of the internet era around the late 90s/early 00s.

Matrix 1 $308,810,225
Matrix 2 $427,189,658
Matrix 3 $211,284,418
Matrix 4 $37,686,805

It took 11 years and a good Batman movie with Batman Begins to get back to Batman peak levels so a bad aftertaste can be felt by moviegoers for a long time, even 15 years.

Also just realized BOM is using 2020 ticket price still for their adjusted list so these grosses are likely larger than these.

A portion of Indy's audience may have actually died, either of old age or COVID. If they were 30-40 in the 80s they will be 70-80 now, and some people don't live beyond 65.

Would Spielberg have made a difference? It does feel kinda wrong without him.

Without a doubt. And there's no noticeable Mangold influence either.

Absolutely. James Mangold is a nobody to the public and it's not like he's some great auteur either to bring in the cinephiles...

Crystal Skull was already marketed/considered to be Ford's final outing. Releasing another one 15 years later with him as the lead probably didn't appeal to many who thought Crystal Skull was it for him (or just didn't like that film). And, as mentioned, this one likely had very little younger appeal.

Still, I would have expected an opening at least close to $100m if not over, and a finish of $250/300 million, and not what it's possibly aiming for now.

I'll be interested to see the demographic breakdown for it.

Even though his last couple of films haven't drawn any interest from the general public, yes. I'm not sure if the film would've opened much higher, but I'd bet the film would be better and as a result leggier.