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What grade would you give this film?
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C 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
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 2001: A Space Odyssey 
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prescription poppers, again now.

anyways, all I got to say is that if you eve have the chance tto see this a screening, bring drogas,,,not thing bad jumst mild hallucinogens (30mq Ambein) will do hst.t. ofr stuff. ih and less peole.


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oh I ame in here t ask box about a book. is there a book on the movie? I dont realy wan to read the moovie book.


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oh I ame in here t ask box about a book. is there a book on the movie? I dont realy wan to read the moovie book.



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The film was based on a short story by Clarke titled "Sentinel." Clarke collaborated with Kubrick on the script, and after the making of the film, wrote the novel. So this is one of the rare instances of a film inspiring the novel, rather than vice versa.


The novel is instructive in offering up a particular reading of the film's events (Clarke's) grounded on the notion of a superior alien entity guiding the course of humanity from savagery to transcendent extraterrestrialism. In this sense, 2001 engages with the traditional Judeo-Christian model in a curious way. The Judeo-Christian view of human history follows a circular trajectory: humanity begins in a state of complete union with God in Eden, becomes divorced from Him and lives in ignorance and barbarity, but will eventually be re-united with God in an extra-terrestrial site called Paradise, or the New Eden. In 2001, there is a kind of union between humanity and the (supposed) aliens, but it is one based on ignorance on humanity's part, which is meant to give way to advanced knowledge as humanity develops. So, whereas the religious view of history advocates regression, the spiritualized scientific one in 2001 advocates progression.

I think Kubrick's views in the film, from what I can discern, are more astute, and incorporate religion in subtler ways (such as the shattering of the glass at the end, reminiscent of the breaking of glass during the Jewish wedding ceremony). Clarke's, per the novel, seem in line with his views as espoused in his other works, where religious thought is explained away with reference to a superior alien intelligence of which humanity has hitherto being ignorant. In Childhood's End, for example, one of the jokes is that the aliens which arrive on Earth are more civilized than the humans and look like devils, having being the inspiration, in fact, for the notion of devils because of their occasional covert engagements with humanity throughout history.

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I have never seen this film in full.- Watched the first 45 minutes...was rather beautiful. Had to stop. Never finished. Meh.

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Also, 2001 can be a spiritual experience if you allow it to be, but it is always an avowedly un-religious one. Which is not to say that it is anti-religious; I think Clarke wishes it to be, but Kubrick evidently had other plans.


Part of the reason why 2001 can be read as spiritual is because of the longing it incites for something beyond humanity while representing a humanity so devoid of feeling and non-physical stimulation that a computer elicits a more sympathetic response from the audience than the human characters. The disjunction between these two elements of the film creates a space of absence that some viewers fill by (re)-reading the film's events from a spiritual perspective. I say spiritual because to interpret events from a religious perspective would be to subsume the film's narrative under the very religious one it disavows.

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Also, 2001 can be a spiritual experience if you allow it to be, but it is always an avowedly un-religious one. Which is not to say that it is anti-religious; I think Clarke wishes it to be, but Kubrick evidently had other plans.


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Well, wasn't 2001 kind of a hit with LSD-ers and acid hitters in the US?

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Well, wasn't 2001 kind of a hit with LSD-ers and acid hitters in the US?

Those LSD-ers are fine, but them acid hitters are no end of trouble!


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i've gotten a chance to rewatch this as i've been using clips of it for an English project, and while i'm not sure i'd call it my favorite film ever, or the best film i've ever seen... it's certainly the most fascinating movie i've ever watched. Stanley Kubrick is a freakin' artist.

i'm actually kinda shocked that this was a huge hit at the box office. i think it made something like 300-325m in today's money. Can you imagine a movie with almost no dialogue, an incredibly slow pace, no central characters or famous actors, and a totally ambiguous plot making even a fraction of that today?

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It's BO is sort of puzzling in respect to the mixed reception back then, though I think it's all about the "people are crazy about what's ahead" factor.


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2001 had quite an elaborate road show release in 1968, and it had legs on legs - - it played for over a year at many theatres...

In the pre-VCR era, if you wanted to understand a complex movie like 2001, you couldn't just press rewind, you had to pony up for another movie ticket. This was one film that inspired many repeat customers.

As to it's appeal, you've got to remember the historical context - - the late 60's and early 70's were a golden age of the film art. Movies that featured challeging themes and intelligent stories could become box office hits during that era. It was in a way the complete opposite of the present day when stupidity (eg: Transformers) is the primary criteria for box office gold.


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Yeah, that's exactly why B-movies were always lucrative and Corman barely made it into the 70s, right? I bet Jaws was the death of art in cinema, yes?

I think you guys are REALLY underestimating the 60s space and drug craze. We got on the moon a year after this film's release, when it of course was still going strong. As for the drugs, how else did Fantasia finally make its money back? The big drugs today are different. How can you make a film that fits shooting crank then having sex for four days straight without eating as much as a tic tac? And the E-crazies are too busy going to raves.

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Yeah, but I'm saying it's not because audiences are intellectually lazy these days.

As for slow, meditative films with innovative visual effects being big these days, all it would require is marketing and an executive with a large pair of balls. The last one is the real stopper.

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Audiences used to read a lot more in the past. The advent of the Internet and the incessant attack from the media that we are subjected to nowadays have numbed audiences' minds.

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Media blitz could be blamed for putting minds on constant warp speed, I'll agree there.

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Not sure about There Will Be Blood, though it's gained traction since its theatrical release.

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I still don't know a lot of people who saw No Country For Old Men, but I live in the sticks.

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Amazing, movies today don't have SFX this well done.

I love the simplicty and unpredictability of this film. Everything good about it has already been said.

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As for slow, meditative films with innovative visual effects being big these days, all it would require is marketing and an executive with a large pair of balls. The last one is the real stopper.
I'm not sure we'll ever get any closer to that than The Curious Case of Benjamin Button in the near-future. In fact, I'm surprised something as expensive and action-lite as that got greenlit in this age, let alone ended up being a bit of a blockbuster hit.

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Yes, but I was thinking more along the lines of 2001.

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if that's the kind of movie James Cameron wanted to make, he could have probably followed up Titanic with something like that (now, who knows if he'd be able to pull it off...), and maybe Peter Jackson could've followed LOTR with something like that, but otherwise, I can't see any director getting a whole bunch of money for a movie that most people won't understand in today's world.

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I can't see any director getting a whole bunch of money for a movie that most people won't understand in today's world.

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I have infinite respect for it, but I never enjoyed it.


I may agree with this comment.

As a viewer I honestly can't decide yet whether I love this or hate it, I just finished watching. In some ways it communicates fascinating messages about human nature and tells interesting splintered stories, but its long and its stretches without dialogue are hard to pay attention to for a rather erratic mind such as my own. Also the fractured and intentionally difficult to understand storyline is very irratating for a viewer.

However, as a non-bias reviewer paying attention to the overall quality of the film, and not my personal feelings towards it. This is one of the greatest films of all time. The construction is indescribly brilliant, and Kubrik's evident attiude of "I don't give a fuck if you like it" allows the film to extend beyond any other movie in the history of film and be the most original product I've seen. In some ways the movie almost seems like an expiriment, with all the whizzing FX and beautiful score and very scant dialogue it almost seems like Kubrik is just playing with his toys and seeing how cool he can make these images, and how much he can dazzle his viewers. If you don't look closely enough it's possible to get confused and think this isn't even a movie, really, its just a giant excuse for Kubrik to showcase his jaw-dropping talent.

That's not the case though. There is a story here, and the scant dialogue, and distant nature of the story is designed not for Kubrik to make things look cool but to give the essence that this is the universe and we really are just a tiny speck. Kubrik also develops some interesting ideas on what created humanity, and for that matter, what humanity is. And his interspersing focus on personal human trials with his odessy of space just brings the focus to the idea that we are important in our ways but there is so much more at the same time.

The ending..... yikes. With 4-6 more views I may be able to comprehend a bit of what happened here. It was really crazy-cool though....

Anyway, perhaps the best constructed film I've ever seen, just kind of hard to enjoy, but I think I did.

A perfect score.

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I don't really understand the whole "people being confused" by this movie thing. "Bored," I can understand, but if a viewer has been brought up watching movies, I really think he or she should have the skills to interpret the very straightforward visual language Kubrick uses.

Anyways, I finally saw it at a theater screening (at midnight, with abundant drug use. Bradford may rejoice), and I have to say, while its craftsmanship remains staggering, I don't know if there's as much 'art' to it as I previously thought. I think we're confusing art and awe here... it definitely does not have the poetry of Solyaris.


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I don't really understand the whole "people being confused" by this movie thing. "Bored," I can understand, but if a viewer has been brought up watching movies, I really think he or she should have the skills to interpret the very straightforward visual language Kubrick uses.

Anyways, I finally saw it at a theater screening (at midnight, with abundant drug use. Bradford may rejoice), and I have to say, while its craftsmanship remains staggering, I don't know if there's as much 'art' to it as I previously thought. I think we're confusing art and awe here... it definitely does not have the poetry of Solyaris.

Speaking of confusion, I think you may have got MovieDude and me mixed up on the drug front. As per that endless thread about cigarettes in the water cooler, I am a staunch teetotaller myself, though not against in principle. But based on your reaction above, perhaps in this viewing of 2001 they were incorrectly prescribed...


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