I don't go around telling people they are like the fluid in my vagina, or that I like to compare shit with Mariah Carey. Nor do I tell people to slit their wrists or offer suggestions on how to kill themselves.

Your humor may be funny to some people, as low brow and immature as it is, but it doesn't fly across the board.

I'm done here, this is not a thread for me to call you out, so I'm not going to.

Hmm...I'm not really trying to tell people how to act, more than I'm just pointing out what is becoming a major social issue (cyber bullying).

Sigh. I wouldn't expect the culprits to actually understand it.

I think the ideal situation, if someone were to mention they wanted to kill themselves is to delete the post, PM the member and say "This isn't appropriate" maybe have a few links to some place that can help or something, and move on. That's it.

I'm not saying you should rush to his aid etc. but posting about it and making jokes is not the way to go.

Joe needs help, and honestly, he's not going to get the kind of help he needs from anybody not sharing the same physical space as he is.

He needs to gain some perspective on life before he decides to end it, but if it does, I have no guilt. What more can I do?

Im mostly with Jeff.

I'm not "blaming" anyone or telling people how they should "act". Let people act how they want, but when they break the rules or take it too far (this is hard to judge, and it's why there are many problems here) do something about it. But that's the problem. Posters are free to go as far as they please with little action taken against them. And certain posters recieve special treatment over others based on how the decision makers view that person or the others involved when such personal opinons, and even group opinions, should never be used in deciding how to respond to someone, how to punish them, etc. But it happens ALL the time. So the source of most of the bickering is because there are no rules when it comes to the exceptions here, and no one knows anything about it. To help solve this, all people need to think about is the outcome of their actions. Is posting something that could lead to fights really needed? Can it be avoided by talking to the persons involved in private? Yes, but not when people say it "obviously" would get them nowhere.

Gulli and I are a fair example. We clashed a few times, and eventually some of the same people we talked to were dragged into it. But neither of us said trying to make nice would get us nowhere, because we are on speaking terms again and all is well.

Nobody is saying you should feel guilty.

Two wrongs don't make a right Loyal, come on, I'd expect you to not be so hardlined and stupid.

Ehh as soon as I posted it I thought there has to be a better way to phrase that. I meant more in the line of "not act so hardlined which I think is just stupid"...

I still like you.

I have no sympathy for Joe at this point. Once or twice in the past I've tried to defend him in situations where people did seemingly gang up on him unfairly, but he's pushen the suicidal asshole attention whore thing so far over the line right now that I could care less. I could care less whether or not he's actually considering suicide (my guess is he likes to think he is but won't ever get close to actually doing it), or whether or not he gets help. To me, he's just an annoying attention seeking prick and I don't think we should feed his attention seeking antics anymore.

Is he really crazy or is this just an teenager's cry for attention? Tough to say. Either way, I think he should be ignored.

If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that the people who are most vocal about wanting to kill themselves are the least likely to actually go out and do it.

If there's another thing I've learned in life, it's that chilli and cider don't mix. Talk about committing suicide on your bowels! Am I right?! Am I right?!

Yeah, I'm right.

There are far worse people here than Joe. I'd consider him a more credible person than somebody like Snrub, who I've never seen do anything but act like that fucking asshole of the decade. That drunk spent 3 hours on a Saturday night posting and insulting me, for Christ's sake. Of course, not a goddamn thing was done about it, as excuses were made by the admins.

Joe's got problems, but he's not even close to the worst, so if lining people up to critique their problems is fair game, just let me know when I can start!

Agreed. It's not a hard and fast rule, but from my experience with friends it's usually just a cry for attention. Not saying that it should be ignored, necessarily, but if the person is not open to help there's not much you can do.

I know hat in the past, one could make an argument that I've "ganged up" on Joe before.

However, I made a concerted effort to stop actually doing that. Sure, I've responded to his posts and attempted to (peacefully!) argue with things he's said. I do that with many people. I did that with Bradley Witherberry even today. It just seems like I do it with Joe a lot because Joe says a lot of things that I'd like to argue (again, peacefully) with. I can't help it, I'm competitive and argumentative at heart.

That's why I'm offended. The fact that I was placed on some ridiculous list (as the #1 person, no less) of people who he believes want him TO KILL HIMSELF really, really disturbs me. I'm not really a mean person. I wouldn't wish death on anyone, except in extremely special circumstances. I certainly wouldn't do it to someone I barely know on the Internet.

The whole thing makes me angry. Myself and 99% of the people on that list have done nothing to deserve being associated with wanting someone to end their own life. That's just unbelievably cruel and misguided, and I was extremely offended when I saw it.

That's terrible advice from Snrub, and he shouldn't paint with such a broad stroke under serious circumstances. I knew somebody who killed himself, and he was vocal about doing it. I'm guessing he's dead because too many people figured that anybody that would REALLY kill themselves wouldn't make mention of it.

Life isn't so neat and clean, unfortunately, and variables always apply.

And I am sorry, but being told by you to think of my outcome of my actions, after your most recent stunt, dear if you think you are in the position to give anyone advice about not going to far.

I think I'll exit this before it goes downhill.

That's why I said it's not a hard and fast rule.

And you were correct.

I told him that, Libs, but he didn't care. He seemed very pleased to have pissed you off. I told him that you and none of the others had anything to do with what recently happened to him, but he's not being reasonable because he's too upset. He needs help, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I guess that I probably wouldn't have started a thread, though, knowing how much people love to jump down his throat and would be all too happy to join in on yet another Joe bash fest.

I told him that, Libs, but he didn't care. He seemed very pleased to have pissed you off. I told him that you and none of the others had anything to do with what recently happened to him, but he's not being reasonable because he's too upset. He needs help, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I guess that I probably wouldn't have started a thread, though, knowing how much people love to jump down his throat and would be all too happy to join in on yet another Joe bash fest. [/quote]

well when you put in your signature people that you think want you dead, there are going to be some angry people who want to voice their opinion. That's kind of common logic.

I was talking about everyone, including me. Which stunt are you talking about? The Eagle situation isn't exactly recent anymore, so I'm guessing it's the Joe thing from a few weeks back?

Fine, that's what PMs to the admins are for. It would have resolved the issue quickly and quietly. I'm sorry, but I have to agree with that. If the desired result was getting the offensive sig removed, one PM to Eagle would have done just that.

probably you posting in general

What Joe stunt? And yes I am talking about the Erica Stalker situation. It wasn't an Eagle situation, it was a situation created by you for no damn reason, he just happened to be your victim of the moment.

Granted, you're stalker was damn funny, but that was the very definition of over the line. You can't gain back credibility magically because it wasn't yesterday.

So you really are in no position to tell anyone to not go over the line.