Just finished watcjing the secodn episode...

I actually think it might have been a bit better than the premiere, in which nothing really happened. It seems as though the show won't regain its original strength or even that of Season 2's which was onyl slightly below the first season's. what I am noticing in the new season, or I should say what I am noticing a lack of, is the immense focus and tightly woven structure of the previous seasons' episodes. The third season's course is yet unclear... as if it's an extension of Season 2 that in the end could be all but necessary. I'm sure, Murphy (the writer) has a grand scheme in mind and even if it is a good one the work is getting sloppy. A less than average episode of Nip/Tuck is still above most things to watch on TV, I just hope the quality of the first 2 hours of the season don't become the standard.

That being said, I will now comment on the episode in particular...


I loved Vanessa Redgrave (Julia's mother) in this episode. Both her scenes were the best part of the episode. It wasn't just funny to see her smoking whatever they were with her grandson and then her daughter, but they were, quality wise, the best in the episode. I hope we periodically see more of her.

I'm glad Ava was explored only through imagination and I hope she doesn't return to do a full stint on the show. She was an amazing addition to Season, let's keep it that way!

If Dr. Quentin was hired so that Christian cna take more tiem off to adjust or slowly get back into his usual character/professionalism then why are all 3 of them constantly at the office and why does he seem almost as good as normal when he was in traumatic shock last episode. I know they will further explore what he went through, but keep it consistent.

I don't like where Matt's story arc is headed if it will continue. I didn't mind if he explored the possibilty of being gay or attracted to transsexuals only (though I'd prefer him straight) but what he did was completely outof his character (I mean come on... this is the guy who repented insanely for something he did not consciously do in Season 1). I like the new look, he FINALLYYYY shaved it off, but they better just wrap up that pre-op trannsex. storyline cuz I think it's a bit deperate (plus, I think they said they were gonna reprise his car-accident storyline).


Anyway... good episode; a little too all around the place for Nip/Tuck standards; hope the season gets much better.

I find what happened with Matt believable. He has changed (other than still being ugly ). He found out he had sex several times with a transsexual and his inner homophobia kicked in. He's in denial about the possibility of being gay and in turn feels the need to gay bash. It pisses me off and I hate him, but it is believable. I myself don't care that much if his character ends up being gay because he's just so ugly that I don't like to look at him. I do like that the show is very gay though. Well, it's kind of like the gayest "straight" show or something. I'm not sure how to describe it, but it's one of the gayest shows on TV.

I didn't know until I read something last Saturday that the new surgeon was going to be bisexual. It makes sense though because him and Christian definitely had a moment in the first episode . When he was checking Christian's wound I thought they were going to kiss or something. Anyway, he's supposed to be like Christian except he sleeps with a lot of men and women, and eventually him and Christian are supposed to have a foursome with two other girls. Maybe him and Christian will kiss then! That would be hot!

I love this show! It's smart, sexy, and compelling. They make over-the-top storylines work and they never seem that unbelievable to me. They manage to pull them all off. I will definitely keep watching and hopefully the show just gets gayer and gayer, as it has been. There has always been a sexual tension between Christian and Sean and I think they should eventually explore that! I wouldn't even be surprised if they did because this show is really edgy compared to other stuff out there, especially compared to regular network TV. There has always been major sexual tension between Ryan and Seth on THE O.C. but they aren't ballsy enough to explore that . If they did I'd probably actually tune into that show again.

does anyone have ratings for last night's episode?

Hm... I don't think there are ratings for networks like FX, unfortunately.

I thought last night's episode was... alright. I liked the premire a lot better. I guess the whole reason I didn't like it as much because it mostly involved Matt, meh.

Next week's episode looks good though.

Wow. These thread get pushed back pretty fast now!!

The 3rd episode was pretty good...

I think I actually sort of like the direction they are going with but this show has definitely taken a turn, not necessarily for the worse but for the not-striving-to-be-as-good-or-as-better-than-before-and-just-trying-to-be-provactive.

I'm getting the vibe that the show is too sexed up; it's nowhere near as ground-breaking as it used to be and the production value including music, editing, and maybe writing as well (since it is actually a very important determining factor for the plot points and editing for each episode) have gone down.

I don't know. I'm still and will always be a loyal viewer, but for some reason I sense that this season was going to be a let down or at least walk a completely different direction and it has so far!

I agree... not too impressed yet with this season so far. Still, twas a good episode last night.

I have a hunch that Quentin might be the carver... Meh.

That's a good hypothesis. Quentin certainly seems like a candidate.

Spoilers in theory......

That's way waaaaaaay too easy. I can't deny that alot of clues are pointing to him or just weird inferences but I will be thoroughly disappointed if it does end up to be him.

Since we didn't know if it was a man or woman, right before the season started, I had a very very strong feeling it was actually Julia. I know it sounds incredibly insane but to me it started making more and more sense. I mean who else could it be and why??? the most blatant suspect would have been Kimber given her Season 1 history, but that's way too obvious as well.

But in the premiere it shows that the carber rapes Christian which would make us assume it was a guy while it could very well have been a woman with a strap on or something. But if it was a woman why would she show Christian a condom (thus letting him know she/he's gonna rape him) unless it was used to throw us off.


There are really only a small, handful of people who could be the carver and the writer said it would be someone from previous seasons, he wouldn't just bust out a new character or anything...

In Quentin's case, he made a cameo in Season 2, so he's technically not a fresh character.

I have narrowed it down to a very limited number of suspects, actually probably the only suspects...

Bobbolit: The other plastic surgeon whos license was revoked and whose illegal practice christian shut down.
Quentin: Because of obvious reasons, plus he is bisexual so he could have easily raped Christian!
Kimber: as stated above, her somewhat-psychotic (when angry) history
Julia

And my prime suspect: Jude
Jude was introduced and written off in Season 1, so alot of people would probably have forgotten about him and he would have been an excellent candidate to surprise us all, even though we wouldn't have any forewarnings or foreshadowment of his motives which would kind of defeat the purpose of having it be an already existing character.
but then he made a very, very short cameo in the prmiere for Season 3... alot of viewers may not have noticed him; his hair was changed and it didn't look instantly like him... it was who Julia was sleeping with or woke up with in the morning. I think they might have given it away and made it pretty obvious that he could very well be the carver because he's an old character that fits the profile of the carver thus far and why on earth would they re-introduce him for a couple of minutes??? There's more behind it and I think the reason they brought him back was to remind us that he's still out there and it didn't necessarily have to be someone from Season 2.

So, in my opinion the carver really can't be anyone that shocking unless it's not one of my 5 suspects listed above...

Ranked in likeliness to be the carver...

1. Jude
2. Quentin
3. Julia
4. Bobbolit
5. Kimber

What about Matt? I know it may not make much sense at first but he appears to be bisexual and he is definitely angry at Christian and Sean and basically everyone else. If he's not The Carver, I expect him to be the next victim. Either way, he may not last the season.

there is no possible way that Matt is the carver. It just doesn't make ANY sense at ALLLLL!!!!
If it does turn out to be him, I might stop watching the show!

OH MY GOD! I'm watching right now and that scene where the woman could feel the surgery and was awake on the inside but paralyzed on the outside so she couldn't let them know was freakin' the hell out of me. It sent chills up my spine. I have heard of this happening before. My god would that be horrible! I cannot imagine going through that.

I think the carver is a woman. I've always thought this. It has to be something surprising, and I think it will be a woman. They are trying to throw us off with the whole rape stuff but I think they are using a strap-on.

Well the show isnt getting any better, this episode was a mess. The carver has to be someone that knows the goings inside the hospital, I do think it's the new doctor and even though it's way too obvious to be him I dont think theres any other way to go with that at this point. The preview for next episode seems great, it's finally going somewhere interesting.

According to an interview with the leads, it's someone they've met before, and when they asked again, they met them on season 1. Maybe they've known them the whole time, maybe just met them on season one and haven't since, it's in the air.

It's always someone you least expect, someone that wouldn't be incredibly obvious. I highly doubt it would be Liz, but I would just like to say that I hope not. That would be lame, sure it would be surprising but I think more people would be pissed than pleased with the outcome. I am watching Season 1 right now (again, since I'm showing it to my mom, who really likes it so far) and don't remember whatever happens to that psychologist woman they hired in the first season, who Christian ends up sleeping with. Maybe it's her. Of course I don't know how she'd be getting the info she does on what's going on around the office, unless she has a mole there . Ahh who knows, but it's kind of fun to try and figure out who it is.

I felt bad for the woman on last night's episode. Sure she lied but I think she got more than punished by what happened with the anesthesia not working right. I felt really bad for her in the end. However, I'm thinking maybe the Carver did it because she was suing them. So it could be someone that works there and doesn't want them to go out of business or something. It's always someone you least expect, someone that wouldn't be incredibly obvious. I still swear it's going to be a woman. I've always thought this. It has to be something surprising, and I think it will be a woman. Or maybe it's the woman from Season 1 who kept getting plastic surgeries and had the hots for Christian, Mrs. Grubman. Granted, she is kind of old, but when you have a knife and then a paralyzer I doubt you'd need much actual power to be the Carver. There are so many suspects. It could be Julia, but I doubt it. Still, that would be a shocker to most. No way would it be the transsexual from Season 1. I can't see that happening, yet you never know. Still, very doubtful. There's Kimber, but again, I think that would be too obvious. I do agree that it could be Jude from the first season, even if that's not a woman, and his appearance at the beginning of Season 3 could have been a reminder that he was still around.

I think that it could be the new doctor (Quentin?) because he knew about the pending lawsuit. Plus, he has the height to work. By the way, how do serial killers, etc. alter their voice to sound the same? Most every killer sounds the same with that deep, menacing, voice.

Last night's ep. was pretty good. I liked the storyline with the old woman and her forgetful husband. It was heartbreaking.

You guys are overanalyzing this too much....

I have narrowed it doen to people and am pretty DAMN sure it's one of them...

Julia... my prime suspect
Jude... from Season 1 (And he made a cameo in the Season3 premiere)

Jude is probably the most likely to be underpredicted and he sort of does have motive and his character kid of is a clue... I mean he was obsessed with his self image (well, sort of)... he wanted Julia but couldn't have her. He wanted to get into plastic surgery but Christian fired him as an intern.

The only other shocker would be Dr. Santiago from Season 1: the psychologist.

Kimber and Quentin (and also Bobolit) are waaaay too obvous of suspects. I would be completely disappointed if it was either of them...
Kimber: I think she would act differently around Christian if it truly was her and I'm talking about th anal rape aspect; she could play around that but she hasn't at all.
Quentin: just completely obvious, waaay too obvious. No way! (although so many clues point to him)
Bobolit: Totally forgot what happened to him but his main motive would be that he couldn't get the girls Christian did and the self image of others; there's no way he's doing it to get back at Christian or anything such related or because he lost his business.

The third episode wasn't too bad but they are handling alot of the stuff less realistically than they were before. It's still been a pretty big step down for the show although it's not bad in most senses. Next week looks just as interesting as all the previews have held promise for the following episode... so I'm not holding my breath!

An online friend pointed out to me something that made her think it could be Liz even more. She said:

I've thought it could be Liz for a while now and last night's episode made me think: did she purposely not give the lady enough anesthesia because she knew she wasn't really attacked by the Carver, since she's the Carver? She could have been mad at her for making a mockery of her "work." It's possible.

And that actually does make perfect sense. Plus I'm sure she has a strap-on lying around --- LOL! I'm evil . I hope it's not Liz but she is now a suspect on my list, and actually my prime suspect.

Yeah, Liz may be The Carver since she's an easily replaceable character. Troy/McNamara could just hire someone else to take her place. I wonder when we'll find out the identity of The Carver.

In the season 3 finale; Ryan Murphy (writer/creator) said so.


Hmmm. Mike, I think that's an excellent observation by whoever made it. I think Liz would make a great candidate right now because everyone mentions her as a possible suspect but never truly stress too much on her because well, they plain as day don't think it's her.

But if it were her, there's a double motive behind killing the false victim at the end of lst night's episode: 1)because she made a mockery of the carver's true work and 2)she doesn't want to sink the business because it could have been her mistake or she could have purposefully give the patient not enough anastheisa to make her suffer for her "false advertising" before she puts her ut of her misery.

You know what... I hate to say it (not because I don't want her to be but because I want my gut from before Seson 3 started to be right) but Liz probably is the prime suspect now if even solely based on this episode. I'll ahve to check into my DVD's and rewatch the episodes where there are carver victims and see how she reacted or what she did... if there were any clues... (of course it's possible the writer himself didn't know who the carver was at the time and there may be no clues)

I actually liked last night's episode, yay. The whole thing with the husband not remembering his wife was pretty devastating though.

I hope Liz isn't the carver... The whole "suspend me" thing could be a throw off but I like Liz, plus it would be really dissapointing if it ends up being her. I wonder what they're going to come up with once the carver situation is out of the way.

I don't want it to be her because I like her, but there's an incredibly good chance it is. I think she's one that is flying under most people's radar. While there are clues (at least now for sure) that it could be her people don't really think about them, so she'd be a big surprise, at least for a lot of people, which makes me think she's the most likely candidate at the moment. I had thought it might be her, but didn't even notice the clues in this episode until the person I talked to pointed them out, and then it made her my #1 suspect.

If they want a show-shifting huge shocker, it will be Julia.
If they want a silent shocker, it will be Liz.
If they wanna pull the not-present anymore, pre-season 3 character shocker, they'll go with Jude.

That's my justification and I'm sticking to it.

That would be an absolute disaster... May not watch anymore if Julia is the Carver.

I'm hoping for option 3. And if it does end up being Quentin, then at least the carver thing is out of the way...