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 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions: Rd 2 Pt. 13! 
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Post 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions: Rd 2 Pt. 13!
Enough is enough, it is time to determine WOKJs favorite pop singer.

This will be a ROUND ROBIN style tournament where eight groups of four will square off, the winners going on to the final group and a chance to become champion. It will probably take a long time, so there will be many matches per day with around 24 hours to determine the winners. I'd like to get atleast five votes a day though to avoid ties (if there is a tie I will give them half points.)

As for the pool, I divided them into four tiers. The Undisputed, The A-Listers, The Hit-Makers and The Dealer's Choice. If anyone has a problem with the list I am more than welcome to make a switch, but you must not only say who deserves a spot but who they should replace and make a good case for both. This is mostly US based, so sorry international people I don't really care about Robbie Williams or Utada Hikaru and they'd have no chance of advancing against the stacked field anyways. I also set a cutoff decade of the 80s to shorten the list, and again the older people (aside from maybe Elvis) probably would have no chance anyways. I'm also not including groups, though you are more than welcome to consider an artists entire catalog when voting.

Again, this will take at least a month to complete so let me know now if the idea is stupid and any ways to perform it. I feel like the round robin style is more fun and will lead to alot more interesting match-ups.

#1 seeds: The Undisputed

Taylor Swift
Michael Jackson
Madonna
Adele
Beyonce
Britney Spears
Mariah Carey
Rihanna

#2 seeds: The A-Listers
The Weeknd Prince
Bruno Mars
Justin Timberlake
Ed Sheeran
Lady Gaga
Ariana Grande
Janet Jackson
Justin Bieber

#3 seeds: The Hit-Makers
Usher
Shakira
Miley Cyrus
Pink
Chris Brown Jennifer Lopez
Harry Styles Kesha
Enrique Iglesias
Whitney Houston

#4: The Dealer's Choice
Christina Aguilera
Carly Raw Jepsen
Charli XCX Lana Del Ray
Avril Lavigne
Nelly Furtado
Kelly Clarkson
Katy Perry
Robyn

Each initial group will consist of one member of each tier. They will be somewhat random, but obviously not entirely. Am I gonna put Britney and Christina in the same group? Of course.

Rules, per wiki: A round-robin tournament (or all-play-all tournament) is a competition "in which each contestant meets all other contestants in turn".

I think that is everything I need to say. So make you case for someone who was left off if you want to. I'll start the tournament itself sometime this week.

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Standings

Championship Round:

Michael Jackson - 10
(MC, RI, PI, BS, AD, MA )

Pink - 8
(MA, MJ, BS, AD, KP, RI)

Madonna - 7
(AD, PI, RI, MC, KP, MJ )

Mariah Carey - 7
(KP, MJ, AD, MA, RI, BS)

Rihanna - 6
(KP, MJ, MA, MC, BS, PI )

Adele - 5
(MA, BS, MC, KP, PI, MJ, )

Katy Perry - 5
(MC, RI, BS, AD, PI, MA )

Britney Spears - 0
(AD, KP, PI, MJ, RI, MC)




Group Stage:

A:

Mariah Carey - 6 :1st:
Usher - 4
Carly Rae Jepsen - 2
Justin Bieber - 0


B:
Katy Perry - 6 :1st:
Beyonce - 4
Jennifer Lopez - 2
Janet Jackson - 0

C:
Madonna - 5 :1st:
Kelly Clarkson - 5
Prince - 2
Whitney Houston - 0

D:
Adele - 6 :1st:
Shakira - 3
Ed Sheeran - 2
Christina Aguilera - 1

E:
Michael Jackson - 5 :1st:
Ariana Grande - 4
Avril Lavigne - 3
Enrique Iglesias - 0

F:
Rihanna - 6 :1st:
Kesha - 3
Nelly Furtado - 2
Bruno Mars - 1


G:
Britney Spears - 6 :1st:
Lady Gaga - 4
Miley Cyrus - 2
Lana Del Ray - 0

H:
Pink - 6 :1st:
Taylor Swift - 4
Justin Timberlake - 2
Robyn - 0

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Post Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Example of how it will go

Day 1: Frederick Frederickson v Sally Antonio

Mrs. Firebomb v Scott Pollack

Lets say KJ vote for Sally. She would get a point, one out of a possible three for the first round. Scott and Firebomb tie so they get half a point, leaving Fred with 0.

Sally - 1
Firebomb - .5
Scott - .5
Fred - 0

However

Day 2: Frederick Frederickson v Scott Pollock

Sally Antonio vs Mrs. Firebomb

Mrs. Firebomb - 1.5
Sally - 1
Fred - 1
Scott - .5

Day 3: Frederick Frederickson v Mrs. Firebomb

Sally Antonio v Scott Pollock

Fred - 2
Firebomb - 1.5
Scott - 1.5
Sally - 1

So even though Fred lost an individual matchup to Sally, he was still able to come back, win the group and advance to the finals. One loss doesn't knock you out. Every one of these people have taken hits and come back and thus will need to do it again.

Hope this clarifies things. I'm not very good at explaining my game ideas as seen by The KJ League. :P

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Sounds fun. Something to do around here for a awhile. Don't rush it.

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YAAAAAS

only Britney is legit #1 and everything is done.

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Think Taylor will win this.


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Think Taylor will win this.

over my dead body

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Rihanna for Timberlake is reasonable. As much as I like Sheeran, no way I can put anyone else out of Tier 1.

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Katy Perry should at least be tier 3.

It's rather stupid having Shakira and Enrique Iglesias above her.

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I agree though I guess people don't like Perry enough.


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Mau wrote:
Katy Perry should at least be tier 3.

It's rather stupid having Shakira and Enrique Iglesias above her.
It was basically only to fit the dealer’s choice theme since I like her more than the other two. I figure all tier 3 and 4 artists will have tough roads.

But there’s no objection to the 32 I picked?

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Post Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Drake should replace Harry Styles, as Drake is more pop and has more pop hits than Harry, who only has one and half hits as a solo artist.


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Oh yeah, in terms of popularity Drake would have a case for Tier 1. I didn't include him because I feel that Drake himself would be upset if we considered him more pop than hip-hop and then he would have to write a diss track about me. I don't know if I can take that kind of humiliation.

I'm all in for replacing Harry Styles though. :P

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Not-at-all final since we're still determining the field, but this would be close to what the groups will look like. Aside from the intentionally overstacked Group of Death is there anything that needs more balancing?

Group A - The Swift Exits
Taylor Swift
Bruno Mars
Kesha (replacement for Harry Styles)
Nelly Furtado

Group B - Jamonnn
Michael Jackson
Janet Jackson
Pink
Lana Del Ray (replacing Charli XCX)

Group C - Move to the Music
Madonna
The Weeknd
Whitney Houston
Katy Perry

Group D - Group of Death (cause there always has to be one)
Adele
Lady Gaga
Usher
Robyn

Group E - The Revolution
Rihanna
Justin Bieber
Prince (replacing Chris Brown)
Kelly Clarkson

Group F - Perfect Hustlers
Beyonce
Ed Sheeran
Jennifer Lopez (replacing Enrique Iglesias)
Carly Rae Jepsen

Group G - Mice
Britney Spears
Justin Timberlake
Miley Cyrus
Christina Aguilera

Group H - Skate and Sing
Mariah Carey
Ariana Grande
Shakira
Avril Lavigne

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Lmao Britney will.murder that group but that's fine

I like this.

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Where the fuck is Ke$ha


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Where the fuck is Ke$ha



Ahe should be in instead of Styles. At least she has a #1.

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I think Lana Del Rey and Lorde should be in as well. Charli is only on here cause Flava likes her.


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Shack wrote:
I think Lana Del Rey and Lorde should be in as well. Charli is only on here cause Flava likes her.
That is 100% true. Though she does represent a style that nobody else has. So, out of the two, who would you pick to replace Charli and does anyone else want to make a case as to why she should stay?

I love Lorde and completely forgot. Where in the world has she been?

Edit: Forgot about Kesha too. Tik Tok is pretty iconic and shes become a symbol for abused women fighting their way back up. Ok she’s in, Styles is out. Charli is in the hotseat.

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I’m also reconsidering my stance on Drake. He really isn’t that much different from Avril Lavigne when you think about it. But if Drake is in then opens a whole new field and unfortunately Post Malone would have to be a part of that field too. Hmm what to do.

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Lana in please.


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And do we really need Robyn for a round-robin tournament?


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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
I’m also reconsidering my stance on Drake. He really isn’t that much different from Avril Lavigne when you think about it. But if Drake is in then opens a whole new field and unfortunately Post Malone would have to be a part of that field too. Hmm what to do.


I would consider going the other way and having no Drake, Usher or The Weeknd, I didn't see them as popstars honestly. J Lo is an omission. Paula Abdul, George Michael and Cyndi Lauper are options.


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Sounds fun


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what? Lana del rey? Lorde?

You are nuts they are not in any way close to everyone included. but I guess some people have to lose every round in the robin round

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I've got two endorsements for Lana and nobody besides me wants to defend Charli (she does have a hot 100 #1!!!#Fancy), so the switch will be made. Though if Lana is on, what about people like Fiona Apple and Halsey who are right on the border of pop and alternative? What about Prince??? Though, much like Drake, I feel like Prince would be insulted at being labeled "pop." I'm also still up for finding a place for Lorde.

Jennifer Lopez was a strong consideration, but I've always thought of her as a movie star who also sings, more like Will Smith than a Justin Timberlake who is a popstar who also acts. However, she does have quite a few hits, so I'm not gonna rule her out or in without a third opinion.

No way I'm taking out Usher or The Weeknd though. Usher had FIVE #1 SINGLES in 2004. It was completely absurd. And The Weeknd is weird and R&Bish, but a lot of pop is weird these days. Billie Eilish would have been on here if she was around for longer than the last twenty minutes.

The 80s people Shack listed probably deserve to be included, but I don't think they'd win a single matchup, so agonizing over who they would replace seems pointless.

I'm gonna start on Saturday, so we have two more days to get this perfect.

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