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Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Fri Dec 20, 2024 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Elon Musk: What Went Wrong
I thought about changing the title to the pre-existing thread, but I felt a new thread was warranted to analyze the downfall of Musk into a full on fascist. He most recently endorsed actual Nazis in Germany with his support for the the AfD Party in Germany. Like how did this guy go from being humanities best bet to wage a fight against climate change to trumpeting for Nazis? Like actual Germans pushing direct Nazi ideology.

My blind optimist is that he thinks fascism is the only way to fight climate change as liberalism and free market capitalism is what led to the turmoil to begin with, but somehow I don’t think that’s the case.
Author:  DP07 [ Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:50 pm ]
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Um, no, he very much supports capitalism. He’s anti-socialist, and anti-liberalism, mostly for various grievances.

The problem I have with most of these guys is that they specifically seem to have a problem with feminism, “black culture”, or other cultures, or regions of the world, but then conveniently have all sorts of double standards in their criticism and complaints, and only seem to have problems with people different then them. I stopped listening to them when I found them to be worse than those they were criticizing. The enemy of one’s enemy is not necessarily one’s friend, I’ll say.

But you’re just sensationalist and exploiting controversy. I really think it makes more sense to call Trump a fascist, or neo-fascist. So I don’t know why you’re suddenly focusing on Musk when you’ve seemed tolerant of Trump in the past. I doubt Musk even knows exactly who he is reposting, or researches the sources that come across his feed.
Author:  Shack [ Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:30 pm ]
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Anyone who makes 440 bil has to be at least a bit sketchy. It’d be like Lance winning 7 tours against cheaters while clean.
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:31 am ]
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DP07 wrote:
Um, no, he very much supports capitalism. He’s anti-socialist, and anti-liberalism, mostly for various grievances..


With all of his government contracts and his thumbs all up in Trump’s tiny ass, I would say he isn’t a real free market capitalist as much as he claims.
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:05 am ]
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
DP07 wrote:
Um, no, he very much supports capitalism. He’s anti-socialist, and anti-liberalism, mostly for various grievances..


With all of his government contracts and his thumbs all up in Trump’s tiny ass, I would say he isn’t a real free market capitalist as much as he claims.


That’s known as a “red herring”, or “whataboutism”.
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:10 am ]
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Shack wrote:
Anyone who makes 440 bil has to be at least a bit sketchy. It’d be like Lance winning 7 tours against cheaters while clean.


Or pragmatic; or realistic. I could say the same exact thing about all politicians, presidents, and “American hero’s” including Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Obama, etc.

Want to have this conversation? I won’t have mercy, pity, or patience anymore. I will be finished with them forever, and you’ll never recover whatsoever.
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:34 am ]
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I’ve said before, I don’t like or support Musk’s shitposting, but I don’t take him seriously when he’s obviously linking or reposting content he has not thoroughly researched. I didn’t like James Damore either, and knew he had little understanding of what he was talking about. The anti-feminist and anti-“black culture”, channels are even worse since they have even less intellectual credibility. Milo Yianopoulos was the worst in my experience. They each have biases, and social interests, especially for “western culture”, “western civilization”, or Milo Yiannopoulos’s “Western Supremacy”, and the content that circulates in their feeds has biases, but I do think Musk’s arguments for capitalism and his corporations, as well as the capitalistic system itself, have more respectability, including intellectual respectability.
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:46 am ]
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I can only repeat, that I fundamentally oppose capitalism, but am also, pragmatic, realistic, and rational about it, alternatives, and human nature (whatever that may mean in different contexts). I oppose capitalism for rational reasons, but necessarily, those, and the implications of them, are complex in reality. I absolutely do not oppose, or intend to oppose, any rational aspect or element of capitalism. That would not only be counterproductive, but wrong. I don’t expect wishful thinking to suddenly change everything. I can’t respect or credit political or fundamentally emotional opposition to capitalism.
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:57 am ]
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
I thought about changing the title to the pre-existing thread, but I felt a new thread was warranted to analyze the downfall of Musk into a full on fascist. He most recently endorsed actual Nazis in Germany with his support for the the AfD Party in Germany. Like how did this guy go from being humanities best bet to wage a fight against climate change to trumpeting for Nazis? Like actual Germans pushing direct Nazi ideology.

My blind optimist is that he thinks fascism is the only way to fight climate change as liberalism and free market capitalism is what led to the turmoil to begin with, but somehow I don’t think that’s the case.


What makes them Nazi’s, opposing immigration?
Author:  Algren [ Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:03 am ]
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That's the problem with today's political landscape. If you're mildly conservative, you're Hitler. Mildly left-leaning? You're a raging socialist. This is particularly potent in online discussion.
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:06 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
I thought about changing the title to the pre-existing thread, but I felt a new thread was warranted to analyze the downfall of Musk into a full on fascist. He most recently endorsed actual Nazis in Germany with his support for the the AfD Party in Germany. Like how did this guy go from being humanities best bet to wage a fight against climate change to trumpeting for Nazis? Like actual Germans pushing direct Nazi ideology.

My blind optimist is that he thinks fascism is the only way to fight climate change as liberalism and free market capitalism is what led to the turmoil to begin with, but somehow I don’t think that’s the case.


What makes them Nazi’s, opposing immigration?


Actual Nazi propaganda that has led party members to jail. Also supporting racial purity within a German national unity. Being anti-feminist and pro established gender norms. Targeting Jewish celebrities. Pushing Holocaust conspiracies. You don’t have to be goosestepping in the streets wearing big leather tench coats waving Swastikas to be a Nazi. This isn’t a Looney Tunes cartoon or a Mel Brooks musical. Things in life are more subtle.
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:40 pm ]
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
I thought about changing the title to the pre-existing thread, but I felt a new thread was warranted to analyze the downfall of Musk into a full on fascist. He most recently endorsed actual Nazis in Germany with his support for the the AfD Party in Germany. Like how did this guy go from being humanities best bet to wage a fight against climate change to trumpeting for Nazis? Like actual Germans pushing direct Nazi ideology.

My blind optimist is that he thinks fascism is the only way to fight climate change as liberalism and free market capitalism is what led to the turmoil to begin with, but somehow I don’t think that’s the case.


What makes them Nazi’s, opposing immigration?


Actual Nazi propaganda that has led party members to jail. Also supporting racial purity within a German national unity. Being anti-feminist and pro established gender norms. Targeting Jewish celebrities. Pushing Holocaust conspiracies. You don’t have to be goosestepping in the streets wearing big leather tench coats waving Swastikas to be a Nazi. This isn’t a Looney Tunes cartoon or a Mel Brooks musical. Things in life are more subtle.


I don’t know enough about them.
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:28 pm ]
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I think the problem with how Americans see Fascism and Nazism is that they think they are either what they see in the movies or that the only mean big government with more rules or taxes. Fascism is a legit government philosophy that is obviously persuasive to common people. It grew out of populist movements in Italy and Germany so they have been very popular in the past and would be very popular now if you just remove the unpopular words surrounding it. Remember, Germans voted for it in the 1930s, and many of those people were neither dumb nor evil.
Author:  Shack [ Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:41 pm ]
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It seems to me like their biggest thing is anti immigration which is where the pendulum is clearly swinging worldwide (eg. also why Trudeau is a dead man walking).

Didn't they call Italy's cute PM a fascist too before her election and I think she's been just a normal right winger for the most part friendly enough with the other leaders to lead lost Biden around the tarmac and even supports Ukraine.

The pro Israel and anti Israel side right wingers have been feuding on my twitter timeline and calling each other "Woke Right". However I think Musk is on the pro Israel side.
Author:  Shack [ Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:38 am ]
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Bad week for Musk using the same tactics as far leftists like mass banning people he disagreed with on the visa for Indians and probably using his fake Adrian Dittman account or AI experiment or whatever that is to host an all out struggle session on Laura Loomer (regardless if she's an annoying grifter or the people he banned were racist pepe avatar guys).
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:07 pm ]
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Elon Musk was NEVER about freedom of speech. It was a lie that many saw through as he just wanted to allow a channel for vulgar people who would get banned for racist or sexist attacks on normal sites to be able to say these things because he thought he was being ironically cool. He never actually believed in all opinions matter or whatever. He has a very thin skin and just wanted to use his immense power and money to try and offend those he was upset with.
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Jan 04, 2025 9:13 am ]
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Elon Musk obviously believes in what he calls “free speech”. He doesn’t believe in “all opinions matter or whatever”, he obviously believes honest debate and discussion is productive. He also believes his humor is fine. That’s mostly a question of taste, perspective, experience, expectation, culture, self-interest, politics, personality, emotional temperament, and sensitivity towards others, and sensitivity or sympathy for their experiences, conditions, predispositions, identities, concerns, or contexts.
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Elon Musk: What Went Wrong
DP07 wrote:
Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
Elon Musk was NEVER about freedom of speech. It was a lie that many saw through as he just wanted to allow a channel for vulgar people who would get banned for racist or sexist attacks on normal sites to be able to say these things because he thought he was being ironically cool. He never actually believed in all opinions matter or whatever. He has a very thin skin and just wanted to use his immense power and money to try and offend those he was upset with.


Your post, like those of many men like you, is simply idiotic hypocrisy.


The only good thing is how unaware and oblivious you are of how much power, opportunity, potential, and future you lost to men like Musk, who actually built things of value unlike your reckless, irresponsible, pathetic, idiotic, hypocritical, self-destructive morality and political culture. Your simplistic, unqualified insults lack nuance, and are absolutely nothing but dangerous and meaningless hypocrisy. You’re definitively stupid if you believe that words like “evil”, “crime”, “terrorism” “dictator”, “extremist”, are not worse in every objective sense than the alternatives, or your enemies.
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:19 am ]
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I’m trying not to mention species, but of course, when I do, it becomes unavoidable that I have say that you lack the maturity for these discussions.
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:36 am ]
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End: Wasting my time in regards to ambiguity related to species, species identity, or species association, involvement, or relation to general topics or other topics that may, in context, involve prioritization of opinions, or human self-interest, over truth, love, or respect for truth, or the truth, reality, rules, structures, terms, environment, or future of my species.
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:29 pm ]
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I can and will hurt you far worse in the future. This isn’t even childish play (although I’m serious).
Author:  DP07 [ Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:51 pm ]
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Shack, the German party isn’t much different than other such European parties or Trump. And yes, there’s no objective basis to say Trump’s comments about the confederacy are any more acceptable by any objective standard or policy.

You seem not to have moved some other posts because you probably follow Musk on X, which is your bias.
Author:  Rev [ Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:26 pm ]
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Don’t threaten us with a good time, France :funny:

Author:  Algren [ Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:13 am ]
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They won't. Europeans are wimps (UK included). None of them are brave enough to make the decisions they need to make in an increasingly precarious geopolitical world.
Author:  Barrabás [ Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:46 pm ]
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Ketamine addiction, midlife crisis, and extreme autism is one hell of a combination
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