But you know damn well that's never going to happen. If you're against abortions for philosophical or religious reasons, you need to implement policies so people who want to have sex, which is a perfectly normal desire, but not have a child can do so without having to pay thousands of dollars. Saying "well don't have sex" is hypocritical and tone-deaf.

Just cause someone doesn't believe what they are doing is wrong doesn't make it not wrong.

By your logic, we should just abolish states if you don't think they should be able to pass laws you don't like

I don't care about same sex marriage really since marriage is before God, not before the government.

Just cause someone believes what they are doing is right doesn't make it right.

By your logic, we should just allow states to pass laws that you like.

I care about same-sex marriage because it gives me (and others) legal rights and various opportunities not given to unmarried couples.

Stop this nonsense of "right and wrong". That's not for you, nor anyone else, to decide for others. I know you're religious, and that's obviously fine. But it's not fine to use faith to determine what's "best" for others. That's between you and God. Just like how it's between someone else and their chosen religion / belief, if they choose to have one / any.

Stop telling people they can't choose to have an abortion. Stop telling people they can't marry another person. Stop telling people to not have sex, a basic human desire, if they don't want kids. If you don't want any of these things, cool. But others do and it's not your right to deny it.

And to add to your "bare minimum of carrying a baby before giving it up" nonsense, even ignoring any mental and physical concerns, you know it costs over $10,000 to even have a baby, and if there are complications, it can double and triple in cost, right? I know you're going to say "that's a consequence of having sex! They should know it'll cost them! Blah blah blah." What do you tell rape victims? I know you're going to say "that's only 0.0001% of abortions!" Okay, so we just... add often crippling financial debt to something they never chose? And you might say next "abortion costs money, too!" Yeah, but usually a few hundred dollars. Would you agree that the states that bans abortions should fully pay for a rape victims birth and any other financial losses, and any therapy they may need for much of their life, that they suffer? Because they 100% should if they're giving their citizens one option, the option they decided, not the women.

Would you agree that the states that bans abortions should fully pay for a rape victims birth and any other financial losses, and any therapy they may need for much of their life, that they suffer?

Also people had premarital sex before the 1960s, it just was taboo to talk about it in the media or polite company.

Never heard the argument that men can get pregnant.

Nice to see the Libertarians are starting to get a little sweaty seeing as they ponied up with the Religious Right over the Left post 2008 now that they have seen what they have unearthed. Not saying I am part of “The Left” but it is interesting to witness

Not over yet, rumors it was leaked to put pressure on a conservative who they think is going to cave, either ACB or BK. I think they're playing with pandoras box here. The move will be seen as shockingly political and create an epic rallying cry for 2022 midterms.

Also...holy fuck. RBG not retiring under Obama is just a historic mistake, sorry to say. Also. 2016 continues to be a historically influential election.

Of course I’m not remotely surprised this is happening but I’m devastated all the same. Why do these people want to dictate what women do with their own bodies? This is going to have devastating repercussions that impact poor and minority women the most. A genuine catastrophe.

If abortion is legal then I think men should also have the option to forego paternity rights but also not have to pay child support. Otherwise enforced child support is tantamount to slavery. Both parents should be able to decide whether or not they want to be a parent with all the rights and responsibilities that includes.

If abortion is legal then I think men should also have the option to forego paternity rights but also not have to pay child support. Otherwise enforced child support is tantamount to slavery. Both parents should be able to decide whether or not they want to be a parent with all the rights and responsibilities that includes.