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 So....I’m out 
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Who said I'm so great? I certainly did not. And to answer your question, it's the same reason everyone else hangs around here; habit. If I see a film, the first place I come to review it is here.


Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:56 pm
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I still don't understand what happened this time. I feel that Algren has become nicer and more toned down recently and I've just had an argument with him yesterday which IMO had more name calling then last few months (Algren I'm not stating it was only you). I saw the conversations between Algren and Chippy on the BO Quiz and Games forum but it just wasn't enough to call for re-retirement. We're all adult enough to take a few hits from anyone on a message board. Life and specially internet cannot only be fluff.


Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:09 pm
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We're all adults, but Chippy is a typical liberal. He doesn't like something and he wants it banned, instead of being an adult and coping with things he doesn't like (like all other posters do). I don't like Chippy, but I would never campaign for his banning. I don't want a place with posters that only please me.


Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:41 pm
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It's frustrating to see Chippy leave not because of any bias but I feel he is one of the last few loyal posters on this forum that has no real issues like Magnus. Chippy has been around for so long much less with you. I'm sure he would have had seen even more stubborn posters than Algren during his time here.


Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:55 pm
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Chippy is loyal? :rofl: He leaves whenever something doesn't go his way, and he posts on other box office forums. That's not the definition of loyal.


Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:24 pm
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I don't think posting on other forums doesn't make him disloyal and he just left the forum last few years most likely after entering fatherhood.


Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:26 pm
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Problem? Whatever, Excel. Not that it gives me any immunity, but I'm the most active poster here. Without me, the forum might already have died. At a time like this, the forum needs loyalty. You cannot question my loyalty. But we can certainly question yours and Chippy's. You hardly ever post, and Chippy leaves more frequently than his menstrual cycle. But if I'm such a big problem, then by all means contact Lecter/MadGez and get me banned. It won't be difficult to do. Then we'll see if the forum suddenly gets hundreds of members.


Why don't you just chill with the overly personal attacks ?

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Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:28 pm
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Excel, personal attacks don't happen in a vacuum. Maybe I step it up a gear, but you all know that you attack me too. Chippy is not an angel. Why do Corpse or stuffp or Vanilla or Riggs never get attacked? Is it just a coincidence? Nope. It's because they don't venture into snide remarks or digs. Chippy does. And so he gets his comeuppance. If he is so weak that he cannot take it, then he shouldn't dish it out with such regularity. I, of course, look like the bad guy when Chippy plays the victim, which is exactly what he wants. But I think most members can see what really goes on, and that Chippy is not a choirboy.

I think most on here have learned to take the rough with the smooth. Take Corpse, for example. I've never ever said a bad word against him, but he just called me an "abrasive ass". Am I going to retaliate? Of course not. Attacks are part of life. Crying to Daddy Admin or "leaving the forum" is pathetic and immature.


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"leaving the forum" is pathetic and immature.

Perhaps for some, but for me it was simply a rational response to a toxic environment. I no longer wished to contribute to the cesspool into which KJ has devolved. I prefer to write for a healthy community of spirited individuals. For the precious few good souls who remain, I wish you all the best.

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Do like I do with Chippy. As I noticed it was impossible to maintain a conversation and 90% of the replies being 'ok' or 'lol', and also tired of him insulting anyone who doesn't agree 100% with him, I decided to not lose any time at all and treat his posts like farts in an elevator, where you hold your breath and close your mouth and hope to arrive to your destination as quickly as possible.

Never had a problem while discussing with Algren. He can take what's thrown at him. Except for that time when I did some B.O. game and he was upset that I permitted Sparrow to join after the deadline although he had a thread with predictions created before it. That time I envisioned Algren wearing some Hello Kitty underwear, but that's another story...


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Algren wrote:
Who said I'm so great? I certainly did not. And to answer your question, it's the same reason everyone else hangs around here; habit. If I see a film, the first place I come to review it is here.


I didn't. It's just how I perceive how those you don't get along with here view you. I know you're not that great. :mer:

Same goes for my other comment. I, personally, don't get upset or offended by anything you say, but it's been very clear you rub some the wrong way with your behavior, your posting style, so much so that they say it's enough for them to leave the forum. It's just my perception that you're an abrasive ass in that way. I appreciate your activity here.

And again, I don't really believe any poster is the real reason for another poster leaving; it's one's own choice. Especially now...It was different 10-15 years ago when most of us were barely adult age, but we're all around 30-years-old now, some much older, so forum arguments should be handled with ease.

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Algren wrote:
Excel, personal attacks don't happen in a vacuum. Maybe I step it up a gear, but you all know that you attack me too. Chippy is not an angel. Why do Corpse or stuffp or Vanilla or Riggs never get attacked? Is it just a coincidence? Nope. It's because they don't venture into snide remarks or digs. Chippy does. And so he gets his comeuppance. If he is so weak that he cannot take it, then he shouldn't dish it out with such regularity. I, of course, look like the bad guy when Chippy plays the victim, which is exactly what he wants. But I think most members can see what really goes on, and that Chippy is not a choirboy.

I think most on here have learned to take the rough with the smooth. Take Corpse, for example. I've never ever said a bad word against him, but he just called me an "abrasive ass". Am I going to retaliate? Of course not. Attacks are part of life. Crying to Daddy Admin or "leaving the forum" is pathetic and immature.


This response is mostly irrelevant and does nothing to dispute a few basic facts.

1. Your style is at least somewhat responsible for many active posters losing interest in the site.
2. This sentiment has lead to many posters visiting less or leaving entirely. To imply that you did not play an, at time very large, role in this is absurd and not up for discussion. Said posters directly blame you, so whatever response you have, I don't care about.

That is just what you have done to previous residents. With regards possibly attracting new site visitors?

3. Your posting style is more likely to repel a new, first time site visitor than it is to attract them to join the site.

I value about 80% of the quantity & quality of your posts, but the other 20% are certainly not something that I would tolerate. A little self-restraint would go a long way.

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Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:32 pm
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That's something I don't like about assumptions made about Algren here. In most recent cases it had been me and him arguing the most, but regardless of that I think Algren is genuinely worried about Wokj's longetivity. He might not make the site "tolerable" for existing posters but I've never seen him being bad to new posters. I think he is sometimes even welcoming to new posters.


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Easy to envision a potential poster reading his posts and opting not to join the discussion...

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Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:55 pm
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Again that's stupid unless you have a proof. Do you really think BoT is any better than what Algren uses in here?


Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:47 pm
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Problem? I'm the most active poster here. Without me, the forum might already have died. .


LOL.

It's unfair to call him the problem though. The site keeps putting people with no business experience in charge. Why don't we close the site and all go to BOT? WOKJ is a fucking horrible name and ran its course. If the people in charge don't care why should we?

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Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:31 pm
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Well, Lecter runs his own very successful website, so he has the necessary experience. But he just doesn't care about KJ. That's the problem there. Who else has been "in charge"? Eagle. You're right about him, but then he created the site so not much can be done about that. I think you're wrong saying the site keeps putting people with no business experience in charge. We've had two owners and only one fits that bill (and he created the site!).


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My point was, putting Excel in charge would be the nail in the coffin. If he really believes, start his own site and ask us to check it out, and we join if we want to. Much like how Eagle did when most of us were still at BOM, and many after joining didn't really go onto it until BOM killed the forums.

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I don't remember the discussion here where someone said that Excel will run KJ.


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Own isn't the same as run.

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My point was, putting Excel in charge would be the nail in the coffin.


Agreed.


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I don’t see a problem with excel running the main site. It can’t be worse than having super relevant articles about Expendables 2 and The Campaign.


Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:11 pm
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Algren wrote:
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My point was, putting Excel in charge would be the nail in the coffin.


Agreed.


Wrong, you would be quite impressed.

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Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:37 pm
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Well that's convinced me! Hand him the keys, Lecter.


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I think it's cool being part of a random group of old movie buffs that don't really know each other. The rest of the internet swirls upwards but there's always this strange little haven for us oddballs to come back to. I still feel like an outsider after 9 years, is how special 2004 is to this place.

Something of a mutual-interest brotherhood. But there are apparently bigger egos out there that conceptualise it like a kind of high school they have to mature their way out of.

Aside from having a genuine loss of interest, communicating that WoKJ is beneath you, is the same as saying you're above its members.

The leaders that left simply weren't good at managing toxic behaviour. I'm not even sure what 'leading' anyone ever did. As a result, the forum culture became rife with arrogance and narcissism. People never really talk about the fact that Lecter could be a real meanie to people he considered less intelligent than himself. Good bloke, but still. Magnus adopted the language of a warrior cliche, and Chippy's abruptness comes off as autistic. There are many very complicated individuals that post here - part of the reason the place is so interesting.

So I can totally see Excel's point, to be honest. But the internet's that big of a place that there's still heaps of potential with the culture as it is. Sure there'd be plenty of zwackerms out there.

The real casualty of the culture is the abject lack of females. WoKJ is the practical nemesis of the #metoo movement. If some basic guidelines about respectable conduct could be properly implemented, I don't see that as a bad thing at all.

Algren's not the big bad wolf people make him out to be. The KJ leaders could've modified his behaviour if they really wanted to. Plenty of people have an asshole side - if his comes out here and no-one holds him accountable, what did anyone expect? Besides, he's 99% constructive these days and has done more for the forum over the past 5 years than everyone else combined.


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