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The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fascism
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Author:  Caius [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Groucho wrote:
Caius wrote:
Libs wrote:
I am sick to my stomach over the immigration executive order he signed today. The man (our president :roll: ) goes against everything America should stand for.

I think the EO is perhaps unconstitutional but what say you about the religious liberty related to not being forced to bake cakes?


Oh Jesus not the fucking baking cakes thing again.

Oh OK. At least I am consistent in my rejection of idiocy and fascism.
Author:  Caius [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Libs wrote:
Caius wrote:
Libs wrote:
I am sick to my stomach over the immigration executive order he signed today. The man (our president :roll: ) goes against everything America should stand for.

I think the EO is perhaps unconstitutional but what say you about the religious liberty related to not being forced to bake cakes?


I don't understand why you're bringing up cakes right now. At the moment, who cares? We never far more pressing issues.

Like that fascist piece of crap banning actual Americans with green cards from returning to their own country because of their religion and skin color.


While I agree that Trump's EO is likely unconstitutional and apparently there are already real cases of Green Card holders having disrupted travel, they are not Americans. They are Permanent Residents and not Americans.
Author:  zwackerm [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:41 pm ]
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Come on Trump! Vet for KKK and Nazis instead!
Author:  zwackerm [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:20 pm ]
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But seriously, the issue here is discrimination. Entering the US isn't a right, but you can't base it on religion.
Author:  Barrabás [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:56 pm ]
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Banning green card holders, some of which are students, is absolutely insane. Where are all the alt right trolls who claim he's not a fascist now? Wtf is happening. Why is it legal for him to enforce something like this unopposed? Aren't laws supposed to pass through congress?
Author:  Excel [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:07 pm ]
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Shameful and embarrassing. WHERE ARE ALL THE TURMP VOTERS WHO SAID HE WOULD NEVER DO THIS
Author:  Libs [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:16 pm ]
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Excel wrote:
Shameful and embarrassing. WHERE ARE ALL THE TURMP VOTERS WHO SAID HE WOULD NEVER DO THIS


They're staying quiet and twiddling their thumbs and/or celebrating this. They are all complicit.

ACLU just got a stay granted by a federal judge in Brooklyn preventing anyone being held from being deported. A huge victory for the moment.
Author:  Algren [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:29 pm ]
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First step in the right direction. America will be China mk.2 :funny:
Author:  zwackerm [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:08 pm ]
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Wait this is just for 90 days?! Why is everyone losing their shit if it's over in 90 days? I mean, it's awful, but it will end.
Author:  Libs [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:18 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Wait this is just for 90 days?! Why is everyone losing their shit if it's over in 90 days? I mean, it's awful, but it will end.


Do you honestly think Trump would limit it to 90 days? God, zwackerm. We can't hold your hand for every part of the Trump presidency.
Author:  zwackerm [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:32 pm ]
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.marfeel ... t-hysteria

I maintain this is not good but it's not the end of the world or a second holocaust like it's being made out as.
Author:  Libs [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:33 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.marfeel.com/amp/www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria

I maintain this is not good but it's not the end of the world or a second holocaust like it's being made out as.


It's a slippery slope. Nazi Germany happened gradually. Know that.
Author:  i.hope [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:59 pm ]
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Barrabás wrote:
Banning green card holders, some of which are students, is absolutely insane. Where are all the alt right trolls who claim he's not a fascist now? Wtf is happening. Why is it legal for him to enforce something like this unopposed? Aren't laws supposed to pass through congress?



Congress has been letting presidential powers go unchecked for as long as I can remember. The lawmakers, with the help of the media and an unaware people, basically let the president go free-wheeling to direct the national conversation.
Author:  i.hope [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:01 am ]
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Algren wrote:
First step in the right direction. America will be China mk.2 :funny:


What is China mk.2?
Author:  i.hope [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:07 am ]
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Interesting Trump's executive orders on immigration and travel apply retroactively. Those with approved refugee status or valid visas from the seven middle east countries are immediately barred from entry. Everything can be nullified with that one stroke of a pen.
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:19 am ]
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Libs wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.marfeel.com/amp/www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria

I maintain this is not good but it's not the end of the world or a second holocaust like it's being made out as.


It's a slippery slope. Nazi Germany happened gradually. Know that.

Difference is the Jews were not hurting anyone. However small a percent of the Islamists are terrorists, it is still a danger and it has to be dealt with in some way. I agree that this does not seem like the right way, but see what happens when the 90 days are up.
Author:  Libs [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:47 am ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Libs wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.marfeel.com/amp/www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria

I maintain this is not good but it's not the end of the world or a second holocaust like it's being made out as.


It's a slippery slope. Nazi Germany happened gradually. Know that.

Difference is the Jews were not hurting anyone. However small a percent of the Islamists are terrorists, it is still a danger and it has to be dealt with in some way. I agree that this does not seem like the right way, but see what happens when the 90 days are up.


OK, then what do you have to say to this?

There have been no fatal terror attacks in the U.S. by immigrants from the 7 banned Muslim countries.
Author:  El Maskado [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:01 am ]
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And the countries that did have terrorist activities but business ties with Trump were exempt. That vicious idiot is making it very obvious. As for 120 days being nothing, tell those permanent residents who were visiting their homeland and on their way back to the states who javes businesses,jobs and school in the US to wait 3 months before returning
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:33 am ]
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Lol, well lets see what happens. It doesn't seem anyone supports this ban, it can't possibly last that long.
Author:  Groucho [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:43 am ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Lol, well lets see what happens. It doesn't seem anyone supports this ban, it can't possibly last that long.


He's only stabbing me now. He's promised he's going to stop. Might as well let him continue, because it's not going to last forever.
Author:  FILMO [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:50 am ]
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Well your president has most likely a narcissistic personality disorder. So this might go on that speed for the next four years!

AWESOME!REALLY AWESOME!
:|
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Groucho wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Lol, well lets see what happens. It doesn't seem anyone supports this ban, it can't possibly last that long.


He's only stabbing me now. He's promised he's going to stop. Might as well let him continue, because it's not going to last forever.

As long as everyone is doing everything they can to show contempt for the ban, our consciences should be clear.
Author:  Caius [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:06 pm ]
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Barrabás wrote:
Banning green card holders, some of which are students, is absolutely insane. Where are all the alt right trolls who claim he's not a fascist now? Wtf is happening. Why is it legal for him to enforce something like this unopposed? Aren't laws supposed to pass through congress?

The Green Card part of this is the fucked up part. Horrible for people being detained, apparently.
Author:  Caius [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:09 pm ]
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Excel wrote:
Shameful and embarrassing. WHERE ARE ALL THE TURMP VOTERS WHO SAID HE WOULD NEVER DO THIS

I thought Trump supporters voted for him because of things like this?
Author:  zwackerm [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:41 pm ]
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Trump supporters want illegal immigrants out of the country, not to stop legal ones from coming in. Most of them assumed a Muslim ban was impossible and would never happen.
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