When your sole purpose for a rally is to ignite hate and spread your vile ideas of what America should be, you strip yourself of the right to call it a "peaceful" protest.

Hey look, the people you could have guessed would make excuses for white supremacists very decidedly NOT-peacefully responding to racist statues being taken down are exactly the ones making excuses--what a shock...

Also, as others with brains have pointed out all over everywhere, hate speech is not free speech. You don't get to spew violent, pro-Nazi invective with no consequences then cry that life isn't fair when large portions of (again, those with a brain that functions) people find it objectionable on every level and reject/label you as "less than."

If you're on the side of "Nazis are people, too!" in 2017 and the idea of a David Duke America doesn't repulse to the core then you just might be a redneck. Have fun at the next klan rally, by the way.

The Google memo controversy is an example of a conservative trying to tell the truth backed by science/research, and the left ignoring what he really said and demonizing him

But Nazis are people too. You can't change the fact that people are shaped by their birth whatever you do. Any denial of that will always be false. But if you say that, you are being dishonest if you don't recognize that Muslims are people too; Mexicans are people too; Jews are people; Black people are people. If you think your veil of legitimacy in threatening fire and fury like never before seen is different than driving a car into a crowd, you better hope you speak for the best end of tragedy.

You can try and over complicate if you'd like because you don't like movements like BLM, and have a sub concious desire at some level to see them or their supporters get hurt. But this is a cut and dry one sided moment. The neo-nazis came with expectations of violence. Their message is for oppression of a group of people. Standing up to that message should be seen as admirable. The neo-nazis killing people comes from a hatred for a group, the other side is standing up against oppression. Unless part of you relates to the oppressor's message for oppression, or if you have a pre-existing hatred for movements like BLM and it is letting it guide your feelings on this matter, the neo-nazis are entirely in the wrong at this moment, and the blame should rest entirely in them

If hate speech isn't free speech, what is it? Unlawful speech?

I would love if we could outlaw hate speech, but who draws the line as to what hate speech is? Some people seem to think that anything that doesn't align with the far left agenda is hate speech.

The Westboro Baptist Church is an excellent example here. They are practicing their right to free speech in a lawful manner. It is repulsive they think people deserve to die because of sexual orientation, but they are not inciting violence. I can't stand them, but they are champions of free speech. Robert Spencer should have the right to go on stage and talk about why he thinks black people are inferior. Again, repulsive, but fine in a legal sense. Spencer has rights too. However, carrying around torches and weapons in a inflammatory march making threats about people such as death to a certain group of people is undefendable.

You can try and over complicate if you'd like because you don't like movements like BLM, and have a sub concious desire at some level to see them or their supporters get hurt. But this is a cut and dry one sided moment. The neo-nazis came with expectations of violence. Their message is for oppression of a group of people. Standing up to that message should be seen as admirable. The neo-nazis killing people comes from a hatred for a group, the other side is standing up against oppression. Unless part of you relates to the oppressor's message for oppression, or if you have a pre-existing hatred for movements like BLM and it is letting it guide your feelings on this matter, the neo-nazis are entirely in the wrong at this moment, and the blame should rest entirely in them

Over 1,500 people gathered on the steps of Sproul Hall to protest the event. The university said in a statement that the protest had been non-violent until it was interrupted by a group of around 150 people who they believe came from outside of the campus.[4][3] The interrupting protesters, which included Antifa activists and some who identified themselves as members of the left-wing group By Any Means Necessary,[5][6] set fires, damaged property, threw fireworks, attacked members of the crowd, and threw rocks at the police.[3] Within twenty minutes of the start of the violence, the Yiannopolous event was officially canceled by the university police department due to security concerns, and protesters were ordered to disperse.[4][7] The protests continued for several hours afterwards, with some protesters moving into downtown Berkeley.[6] Among those assaulted were a Syrian Muslim who was pepper sprayed and hit with a rod by a protester who said "You look like a Nazi",[8] and Kiara Robles, who was pepper sprayed while being interviewed by a TV reporter.[9] One person was arrested for failure to disperse, and there was an estimated $100,000 in damage.[10]

At least 213 police officers were injured during clashes with masked anarchist rioters on the streets of Hamburg, Germany, this week.

Since the protests broke out, 144 people have been arrested and 144 are in custody, a police officer said.

Thousands of protesters clad in black chanted anti-capitalist slogans as they pelted police officers with glass bottles and set cars on fire.

Wolfgang Bosbach of the ruling CDU party, likened the scenes in Hamburg to "civil-war like conditions”, saying the “activists” were given free reign for criminal activities.

His views were mirrored by Andreas Scheuer, General Secretary of the CSU party, who blasted the "leftists anarchists" and "offenders”.

"The left mob has to be broken up, it has to have consequences," he said at a press conference in Viechtach.

[...]

ATTAC coordinator Thomas Eberhardt-Koester told Reuters that the movement wants to "bring criticism of the G20 and alternatives for fair global policies onto the streets".

The most violent elements of the numerous protests across Hamburg were found in the ‘Welcome to Hell’ protest which kicked off on Thursday.

‘Welcome to Hell’ organiser Andreas Blechschmidt said the rally's motto is "a combative message... but it's also meant to symbolise that G20 policies worldwide are responsible for hellish conditions like hunger, war and the climate disaster".

Hamburg Police said that a 1,000 strong “black-bloc” of rioters refused to remove their masks and used glass bottles and rocks to clash with the officers.

Video footage caught in the centre of the chaos saw the masked agitators setting up roadblocks of rubbish bins and burning debris, to halt the progress of police vans.

FYI, "black" and "mexican" are the way someone is born--as in, they do not choose to be those things at any point in life so they are in ZERO way akin to Nazis. There are many reasons for this, of course, but the easiest and most obvious being that people aren't born Nazis. People choose to be Nazis, for whatever bullshit reason (if you want to spend your time trying to deeply understand what's at the core of racial supremacy, aside from the general "nothing good," have at that). So yeah, to sum up, comparing/equating being a Nazi with being black/mexican/gay/whatever other way someone is born is both a horrible and faulty argument on many levels.

As for religion (Jew/Muslim/etc), that's something at some point in life that is chosen. Not really until they're older and able to make that decision, but it is still at some point a choice so I suppose you *could* equate Nazism with religion if you want.

Also, I don't really know what your larger point is aside from "won't somebody PLEASE think of the Nazis?!?!!?"

You can try and over complicate if you'd like because you don't like movements like BLM, and have a sub concious desire at some level to see them or their supporters get hurt. But this is a cut and dry one sided moment. The neo-nazis came with expectations of violence. Their message is for oppression of a group of people. Standing up to that message should be seen as admirable. The neo-nazis killing people comes from a hatred for a group, the other side is standing up against oppression. Unless part of you relates to the oppressor's message for oppression, or if you have a pre-existing hatred for movements like BLM and it is letting it guide your feelings on this matter, the neo-nazis are entirely in the wrong at this moment, and the blame should rest entirely in them

My intention is to point out that regardless of whether you like it or not, Trumps initial statement of violence on both sides is correct unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was JUST Neo Nazis attacking the counter protesters, and not the other way around.

The Westboro Baptist Church is an excellent example here. They are practicing their right to free speech in a lawful manner. It is repulsive they think people deserve to die because of sexual orientation, but they are not inciting violence. I can't stand them, but they are champions of free speech. Robert Spencer should have the right to go on stage and talk about why he thinks black people are inferior. Again, repulsive, but fine in a legal sense. Spencer has rights too. However, carrying around torches and weapons in a inflammatory march making threats about people such as death to a certain group of people is undefendable.

First and foremost, I do not understand why you feel the need to defend Nazis. Germany doesn't fucking defend Nazis, yet such a large portion (I count ANY amount as too many) of white Americans feel this strange kinship that needs defense.

If hate speech isn't free speech, what is it? Unlawful speech?

I would love if we could outlaw hate speech, but who draws the line as to what hate speech is? Some people seem to think that anything that doesn't align with the far left agenda is hate speech.

Well, this is interesting.

I think you can lock up people if they form a threat.