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Gulli wrote:

This chart really fucking annoys me. You are a smart fellow caius you know well why this graph is misleading. it sneers and goes LOOK THE FECKLESS EUROPEANS CANNOT CUT SPENDING LETS POINT AND LAUGH AT THEM.

but wait do government outlays increase during a massive recession/depression???? why yes sane not prick person otherwise you would have to let people starve to death on the streets.

Again I really really really fucking hate this graph. it just dismisses the unneeded suffering of 10s of millions of people its almost as bad as the utterly nutty wolfgang schueble editorial in the FT lately.

Look I'm good, i have a good job working for a company that could care less about the health of the irish economy but still I feel the need to point this out. You know full well this budget trajectory is logical short of letting people die.

Author:	Jedi Master Carr [ Sun May 06, 2012 3:15 pm ]
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I am not really surprised this happened http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/hol ... 14153.html It shows a couple of things. One his policies of Austerity and other cuts to many programs the French people love were rejected. Also, I think Hollandre's views on taxing the rich higher % and really caught on for the French. It will be interesting to see what happens in France. Hollandre is only the second socialist president.

Author:	trixster [ Sun May 06, 2012 3:21 pm ]
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Vive le socialisme!

Author:	Bradley Witherberry [ Sun May 06, 2012 3:23 pm ]
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Zut alors!

Author:	Jedi Master Carr [ Sun May 06, 2012 3:23 pm ]
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trixster wrote: Vive le socialisme! lol well it worked for France in the 1980s. Mitterrand was very popular and was president for 14 years. He was actually a pretty good president for them and France's economy was much better than it was under Chirac or Sarkozy.

Author:	Bradley Witherberry [ Sun May 06, 2012 3:48 pm ]
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: it worked for France in the 1980s. The 2010's are not the 1980's - - it will be interesting to see the outcome.

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Author:	Mannyisthebest [ Mon May 07, 2012 7:14 am ]
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You just become Greece and then go into real austerity...

Author:	Jedi Master Carr [ Mon May 07, 2012 3:45 pm ]
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Mannyisthebest wrote: You just become Greece and then go into real austerity... Greece is rejecting Austerity too. The European people don't want it. The polls have shown that. They will just have to live with higher taxes. And France is never falling to Greece's level. They are a rich country and only have minor problems.

Author:	Mannyisthebest [ Mon May 07, 2012 5:25 pm ]
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I will agree with this. Austerity does not work in countries with serious debt problems.. which is most of Europe.. Austerity is best for the long term...

Author:	Caius [ Mon May 07, 2012 10:16 pm ]
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http://mercatus.org/publication/fiscal-austerity-europe-doesnt-mean-large-spending-cuts

Author:	Mannyisthebest [ Mon May 07, 2012 10:20 pm ]
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All they have to do is to reduce the rate of debt growth...

Author:	Tyler [ Tue May 08, 2012 12:26 pm ]
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The social structures in Greece are so rotten it'll probably need a revolution.

Author:	Jedi Master Carr [ Tue May 08, 2012 1:38 pm ]
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Greece is a mess, the thing that scares me is there is a Fascist party that is gaining popularity there. All we need is some crazy dictator to take over the country. Of course, fascism is on the rise in parts of Europe. The National Front has gained popularity in France in recent years. And Austria has a pretty popular fascist party.

Author:	Tyler [ Wed May 09, 2012 6:49 am ]
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Don't forget Hungary. I'm pretty sure any fascists that got too nasty would be quickly quashed militarily, though.

Author:	Gulli [ Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:14 pm ]
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Caius wrote: http://mercatus.org/publication/fiscal-austerity-europe-doesnt-mean-large-spending-cuts This chart really fucking annoys me. You are a smart fellow caius you know well why this graph is misleading. it sneers and goes LOOK THE FECKLESS EUROPEANS CANNOT CUT SPENDING LETS POINT AND LAUGH AT THEM. but wait do government outlays increase during a massive recession/depression???? why yes sane not prick person otherwise you would have to let people starve to death on the streets. Again I really really really fucking hate this graph. it just dismisses the unneeded suffering of 10s of millions of people its almost as bad as the utterly nutty wolfgang schueble editorial in the FT lately. Look I'm good, i have a good job working for a company that could care less about the health of the irish economy but still I feel the need to point this out. You know full well this budget trajectory is logical short of letting people die.

Author:	Mannyisthebest [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:31 am ]
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Point is the socialists in France has been a huge flop as 75% tax rates is just silly in a globalized world. The centrist govts of Germany and Northern Europe are doing far far far better.

Author:	Tyler [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:25 am ]
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Not really. German wages have been plummeting for a while. German capitalism is doing just fine, but a tiny minority in Frankfurt or Stuttgart is not an entire nation.

Author:	Mannyisthebest [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:19 am ]
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France is a country with far more unemployment (11%-5.4%), has a huge underclass of people mostly Muslims living in ghetto's and has unsustainable social programs. Germany is in the top five for in the Human Development Index... Let us also Remember Germany has done this while being separated only 24 years ago. I think any rational person can conclude apart from looking at one statistic that Germany is a much better run country then France at the moment. I am not saying it is the Socialists in France that have caused all the mess, Sarkozy is to blame as well. France has not been governed well for a while.

Author:	Tyler [ Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:08 pm ]
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Yeah, the Hartz program reduced unemployment by slashing wages to the point that a quarter of German workers are "low income" now. The gap between West and East Germany hasn't even begun to close in two decades. Again, it's better governed if you're an industrialist from Stuttgart or a financier in Frankfurt and there's really nothing western capitalist countries can do to restore profitability, productivity and GDP growth to 1960s levels and also restore wages. They're in a long decline. a lot of what's benefiting Germany is vampirism now anyway, they're basically sucking capital and skilled labor from the most badly affected countries in Europe rather than growing or improving their institutions.

Author:	Caius [ Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:22 pm ]
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Gulli wrote: This chart really fucking annoys me. You are a smart fellow caius you know well why this graph is misleading. it sneers and goes LOOK THE FECKLESS EUROPEANS CANNOT CUT SPENDING LETS POINT AND LAUGH AT THEM. but wait do government outlays increase during a massive recession/depression???? why yes sane not prick person otherwise you would have to let people starve to death on the streets. Again I really really really fucking hate this graph. it just dismisses the unneeded suffering of 10s of millions of people its almost as bad as the utterly nutty wolfgang schueble editorial in the FT lately. Look I'm good, i have a good job working for a company that could care less about the health of the irish economy but still I feel the need to point this out. You know full well this budget trajectory is logical short of letting people die. My only point was, at least when I posted this, that there has not been much austerity in Europe (or the U.S.), contrary to what Jedi Master Carr stated earlier. There is massive and soon to be generational unemployment in the PIGS and I am sure those people are suffering and so are the career prospects for young people and the stability of the social framework in the countries in which they live. At least in the U.S., austerity has mostly been about trimming the rate of [debt] growth in out years. Otherwise spending here has gone up as well.

Author:	Gulli [ Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:37 pm ]
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Indeed I agree the generational employment will haunt us for years to come. they won't deal with it short of a eurozone breakup but that won't happen. europe is stuck because the politicans outside germany don't have the stones to speak the truth. we are are stuck in a dmark. get the heck out as fast as you can!! would be the logic. appreciate the reply btw i agree with your points.

Author:	Tyler [ Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:10 pm ]
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It's also a dated chart.

Author:	Caius [ Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:36 pm ]
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Tyler wrote: It's also a dated chart. Indeed. It was posted many months ago and 2012 expenditures are not included.

Author:	Mannyisthebest [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:17 am ]
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Compared to the socialists in France, the Conservatives in Germany are 100X better.

Author:	Tyler [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:41 am ]
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French wages aren't hemorrhaging as much.

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