Do you pay federal income taxes?

The plan would make a tax hike for the middle class unavoidable.

I didn't help sink the economy then get paid for it. You ever live in a Section 8 shithole in the 90s?

No, but I cleaned one out that my family let after we were finally able to evict the tenants. It went from a nice starter home to a piece of shit that thankfully wasn't condemned for being a meth house. Pure anecdote, of course, as I am sure that most subsidized tenants are upstanding citizens.

Most are normal people with faults and pluses. Some are total assholes. It's kind of like interacting with real people.

My wife and I were on section 8 housing while I was in law school, as were most of the people in that apartment complex. It was a pretty nice place.

LOL!!

He's cherry picking facts because you know nothing about everything, Grill.

argue with Krem, Dip Sh*t, as he wrote it....

I agree with Krem. Groucho IS cherry picking facts. Which I just said in my post that you quoted.

When Zoos and National Parks get closed......WILL THEY STIIL GIVE FOOD TO THE ANIMALS????

Hey Groucho, so now Obama has OK'ed cutting back on some things based on past overspending!!!!!

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and Obama talking credit, blah blah blah...Obama says, we have to make tough choices and cuts to get this done.

WELL, IF YOU DIDN'T OVERSPEND IN THE PAST WITH ALL YOUR PAST PROGRAMS, WE WOULDN'T NEED THESE CUTS!!!!!

PLEASE RESIGN OBAMA, AS YOU AREN'T THE CURE, YOUR THE DISEASE!

ok.

I just read this after a while and noticed the "cherry picking facts" comment.

Ok, Krem, I'll bite. Were my facts incorrect? No, of course not. Did I highlight the two most important factors people look at when discussing the economy? Yes, of course I did.

Now, did I list every single fact in the world? No, I didn't want to write a book on this Bulletin Board.

Which facts do you dispute? What would you have had me add?

Please note: If you can win an argument merely by saying "You are cherry picking facts" without offering any explanation as to why the facts presented do not represent a valid point and without offering counter facts, then I'd just like to say "You are cherry picking facts."

I win!

Oh, and I should add that merely saying "The stimulus is a failure" and "Paul Krugman is dishonest" somehow does not convince me.

I think if I have to determine who to believe -- Krem or a Nobel Prize winning economist -- I won't have to consider too much.

Aww! Groucho thinks I'm a Nobel Prize winning economist! Thanks Groucho!

Want to get freaked out?

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/03/h ... serve.html

That is the economic doomsday scenario that could come about of this debt and the skies are already greying. That article was written in 2009 and as far as I can tell things have gotten worse

The debt is not monopoly money. It's not a number that can just keep going up while it's shrugged off. It should've been treated like a working man's debt from the start.

I don't know what can be done at this point other than cancelling the unfunded Social Security and Medicare promises which won't happen

I say bring it on. This country was at its best when it had to rely on its domestic economy. What that article does not address is how rich we are in natural resources. Honestly, we don't need other countries to depend on. So what if we lose oil? We need to get off our addiction anyways, it will force us to look into alternative energies, which this whole world needs to do desperately NOW.

Would we get invaded by debt collectors? No, that's never happened, why would it happen now when full scale wars have proven to be very costly. I'm not Glenn Beck, I don't believe Murika is the only "moral" country on this planet.

Hyperinflation? It is only a temporary loss, history has proven that its affects only last a decade or so.

Economic collapse? Good, I'd say its about time for a new world order anyways.

Either way, I am more concerned about Fundamentalists revoking civil liberties in this new resurgence of theocratic conservatism that has been strengthening and falling and strengthening again over the past thirty years than I am about a worn out economic system.

How about cutting all the trillions we give away to the oil companies in the form of "incentives"? When Exxon gets $50 million in "incentives" and shows a $300 million profit* they obviously don't need these "incentives" and then they just give their CEOs huge bonuses. That's OUR money. That's welfare on a grand scale.



* not sure of the exact numbers, but you get the point