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zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 21577 Location: West Chester, Pennsylvania
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
Kamala “I believe Biden’s accusers!”
Also Kamala “Sure Biden, I’ll be your Vice President!”
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:50 am |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
Shack wrote: The only thing Biden had going for him is he attracted less heat than Hillary. Harris erases that. Like Hillary she screams inauthenticity and politician who will change her beliefs to whatever it takes to get elected, which both energizes the Republican base and turns off the Bernie voters. She trigger the misogynists who don’t like “bossy" women, and allows them to make Bill/Monica style jokes about her and Willie Brown. She also brings in Trump’s old friend birtherism.
While just a VP, between Biden hiding in his basement and Kamala having a domineering personality, and the media’s likelihood to favour the black woman instead of old white man in this landscape, could lead her to be put front and center. Bernie Bros., which have drastically decreased in number, are always going to be Bernie or bust no matter who Biden chose for his VP. Thankfully, only the die-hard remain, and many understand that voting for policy is greater than voting for the name on the ballot this time. I don't think misogynists or racists, or immature clowns, would be moving from Trump over to Biden no matter his VP choice anyway, so he and the Republicans can keep them. Kamala being authoritative, "bossy", is a positive. I "get" that it can be used negatively against her by those groups mentioned above, but saying otherwise is some backward belief that still lingers in today's politics (America), which is long overdue in needing squashed. And Kamala being more prominent than the usual VP-candidate is important right now. Not to mention that she actually has qualifications and isn't a "token" pick, unlike our TV personality who still thinks his duty as President is the same as that on a reality show.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:29 am |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22205 Location: Places
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
The campaign will be very unique as most events will have no audience and none of their accompanying reactions. Communication skills will be utterly massive here.
Both Biden and Kamala crushed their intro event today. Trump can be entertaining but not close their level and Pence is laughably out of his league and an orator compared to them.
_________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:52 pm |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 pm Posts: 6665
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
She has this breezy style that not many politicians have.
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:32 am |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22205 Location: Places
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She is an elite, ultra high-end communicator when she is on her game. Her biggest issue in the past has been walking the line between coming off as confident and arrogant - she absolutely has moments where she comes off as condescending which is a huge turn off. It isn't because she is a POC or woman, either- her tone is just exceptionally sharp in those moments.
Biden - being such an open beacon for decency and empathy - throwing his full support behind her humanizes her on its own a bit. He may be able to bring out the the warmer traits of her more than she was able to on the campaign trail herself.
_________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:17 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40562
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
Corpse wrote: I don't think misogynists or racists, or immature clowns, would be moving from Trump over to Biden no matter his VP choice anyway, so he and the Republicans can keep them.
Yes but it may still affect their turnout I see 2016 as having extreme anti-Trump and extreme anti-Hillary emotion (she rated just as high in "voting against" and unfavorability polls), but pro-Trump supporters were more passionate than pro-Hillary which had a lot of lukewarm progressives. So Trump had the stronger turnout leading to election day upset. As this 538 article suggested https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... m-problem/ the case for Biden over Hillary is that even though he's likely to be weak in pro-turnout passion compared to Trump, the idea would be that anti-Trump passion is far stronger than anti-Biden who doesn't attract the heat Hillary did. So the Democrats are hoping this cancels out and leads Biden's turnout to be as good or better thanks to anti-Trump voters. However if Harris becomes the one the conservatives rally against, this could tip the scales and make them both energized to vote for Trump and against her.
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:27 pm |
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Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
Shack wrote: Corpse wrote: I don't think misogynists or racists, or immature clowns, would be moving from Trump over to Biden no matter his VP choice anyway, so he and the Republicans can keep them.
Yes but it may still affect their turnout I see 2016 as having extreme anti-Trump and extreme anti-Hillary emotion (she rated just as high in "voting against" and unfavorability polls), but pro-Trump supporters were more passionate than pro-Hillary which had a lot of lukewarm progressives. So Trump had the stronger turnout leading to election day upset. As this 538 article suggested https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... m-problem/ the case for Biden over Hillary is that even though he's likely to be weak in pro-turnout passion compared to Trump, the idea would be that anti-Trump passion is far stronger than anti-Biden who doesn't attract the heat Hillary did. So the Democrats are hoping this cancels out and leads Biden's turnout to be as good or better thanks to anti-Trump voters. However if Harris becomes the one the conservatives rally against, this could tip the scales and make them both energized to vote for Trump and against her. What kind of mental gymnastics? The GOP had almost 30 years of building up hatred against Hillary Clinton at their disposal. They have no time to do the same thing to Kamala Harris, and all polls that came out today show her as having a positive net favorability rating. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/1 ... ick-394734You're also, of course, totally ignoring the enthusiasm she could bring to the ticket, not that I'm surprised.
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:20 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 25402 Location: Classified
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
Well we've already gotten to "Kamala isn't a real American, she's a fake like Obama."
The same people: "why does everyone call us racist?"
I mean there's so many reasons to not like her already, yet they have to take it there immediately. That is all the base wants to hear.
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Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:31 pm |
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22205 Location: Places
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Yes who could forget how successful their birtherism bullshit was against Obama who promptly got crushed by McCain as a result 
_________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:40 pm |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:39 pm |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 pm Posts: 6665
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Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:49 pm |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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This election is truly the Democrats to lose. They're really good at it though, but their messaging is on point. Positvity. Equality. Unity. Dignity. Decency. Who would have expected prominent Republicans to come out and endorse Biden this week AND speak at the DNC. Cindy McCain being the most recent, and she certainly won't be the last.
What we're going to see from the RNC is just a bunch of angry, mostly old white men, yelling throughout the whole convention. Sewing more division. Crying about conspiracies. Spewing insults and hate. There are good conservatives. It's pretty sad that the GOP has dissolved into the party it is today just to accommodate one big child. They are better than him. Here's hoping the GOP can change, evolve, or even just return to what it was.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:23 pm |
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 21577 Location: West Chester, Pennsylvania
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Why do Republicans sow division and Democrats don’t? It takes 2 to be divided.
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Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:07 pm |
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stuffp
Keeping it Light
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am Posts: 11640 Location: Bright Falls
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Corpse wrote: It's pretty sad that the GOP has dissolved into the party it is today just to accommodate one big child. He got them the win though. I cannot imagine someone like Cruz would have beat Hillary.
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Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:51 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40562
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
Making AOC endorse Bernie during the Democrat convention was a weird choice
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Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:45 pm |
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Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
Shack wrote: Making AOC endorse Bernie during the Democrat convention was a weird choice It was not a weird choice. It's standard procedure. Do your research.
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:14 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40562
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Libs wrote: Shack wrote: Making AOC endorse Bernie during the Democrat convention was a weird choice It was not a weird choice. It's standard procedure. Do your research. They could have picked any random congress person instead of one of the most popular figures on the left, and then had AOC endorse Biden in a different segment if she was willing to. If she wasn’t, they were better off having AOC say nothing at all at the convention than give her 60 seconds to support Bernie.
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:18 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40562
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Laura Loomer is a nutter who probably shouldn’t be in congress, but love seeing a human molotov cocktail thrown at free speech censorship by big tech, with someone who’s banned on almost literally every platform winning a Republican primary. She would definitely be the Squad’s nemesis if she got in.
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:15 am |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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zwackerm wrote: Why do Republicans sow division and Democrats don’t? It takes 2 to be divided. Not Republicans as in all Republicans. Rather, the "Republicans" that have become the face of the party and will be largely representing them (basically Trump at this point) at the RNC. I know MANY Republicans in my life, many more than Democrats, and the vast majority of them aren't like them. They've maintained their kindness and haven't devolved into mean people. You do not have to throw yourself behind a man like Trump, support him, or even engage in his behavior in order to be a conservative and display party "loyalty." Most tend to avoid discussing politics these days, but it seems like a some of them are going to sit this election out and not vote for Trump. And they likely won't vote for Biden due to conflicts of interest, which is fine. I understand their decision because they know how to separate Trump from the party, it shows growth and a desire to move beyond him. And this is notably important because Republicans are known to unite behind their candidate no matter what, so they're clearly disgruntled by him. stuffp wrote: Corpse wrote: It's pretty sad that the GOP has dissolved into the party it is today just to accommodate one big child. He got them the win though. I cannot imagine someone like Cruz would have beat Hillary. True, which is why it's sad they've had to become what they are today to gain power. I'm not saying Democrats don't engage in hateful behavior, they do; it's just not on such a grand scale like we've seen these past four-years and doesn't transform the party and its platform, its messaging, to conform around them.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:44 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40562
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zwackerm wrote: Why do Republicans sow division and Democrats don’t? It takes 2 to be divided. I blame the woke by far the most for the division, but it would take pissing off too many people to go into detail why... This election will come down to whether the moderate Democrats vote with the radical left, or whether they vote Trump to form an anti-woke alliance in my opinion.
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:50 pm |
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 21577 Location: West Chester, Pennsylvania
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Shack wrote: zwackerm wrote: Why do Republicans sow division and Democrats don’t? It takes 2 to be divided. I blame the woke by far the most for the division, but it would take pissing off too many people to go into detail why... This election will come down to whether the moderate Democrats vote with the radical left, or whether they vote Trump to form an anti-woke alliance in my opinion. 
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:35 pm |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 pm Posts: 6665
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
Shack wrote: Libs wrote: Shack wrote: Making AOC endorse Bernie during the Democrat convention was a weird choice It was not a weird choice. It's standard procedure. Do your research. They could have picked any random congress person instead of one of the most popular figures on the left, and then had AOC endorse Biden in a different segment if she was willing to. If she wasn’t, they were better off having AOC say nothing at all at the convention than give her 60 seconds to support Bernie. Maybe she volunteered to speak in support of Bernie. She is a prominent progressive. This is not Trump convention. You don't have to proclaim full loyalty to Biden in order to speak in a roll call.
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:21 pm |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 pm Posts: 6665
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Shack wrote: zwackerm wrote: Why do Republicans sow division and Democrats don’t? It takes 2 to be divided. I blame the woke by far the most for the division, but it would take pissing off too many people to go into detail why... This election will come down to whether the moderate Democrats vote with the radical left, or whether they vote Trump to form an anti-woke alliance in my opinion. Maybe you will change your mind when FEMA funding to your state gets cut off because it did not vote for Trump. Maybe you will change your mind if you know blacks living in places with a long history of housing segregation. Maybe you will change your mind if you are a Muslim. Maybe. Or maybe when you hear "Go back to your country!" from some fellow Americans. Maybe.
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:39 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40562
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
i.hope wrote: Shack wrote: Libs wrote: Shack wrote: Making AOC endorse Bernie during the Democrat convention was a weird choice It was not a weird choice. It's standard procedure. Do your research. They could have picked any random congress person instead of one of the most popular figures on the left, and then had AOC endorse Biden in a different segment if she was willing to. If she wasn’t, they were better off having AOC say nothing at all at the convention than give her 60 seconds to support Bernie. Maybe she volunteered to speak in support of Bernie. She is a prominent progressive. This is not Trump convention. You don't have to proclaim full loyalty to Biden in order to speak in a roll call. Yes but it was the Democrats decision at the end of the day to pick AOC as the nominator. I don't blame AOC or Bernie, I just think it was a bad decision by the establishment organizing the convention.
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:13 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:15 pm Posts: 36949
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 Re: Democratic Primary: Biden/Harris 2020
i.hope wrote: Shack wrote: zwackerm wrote: Why do Republicans sow division and Democrats don’t? It takes 2 to be divided. I blame the woke by far the most for the division, but it would take pissing off too many people to go into detail why... This election will come down to whether the moderate Democrats vote with the radical left, or whether they vote Trump to form an anti-woke alliance in my opinion. Maybe you will change your mind when FEMA funding to your state gets cut off because it did not vote for Trump. Maybe you will change your mind if you know blacks living in places with a long history of housing segregation. Maybe you will change your mind if you are a Muslim. Maybe. Or maybe when you hear "Go back to your country!" from some fellow Americans. Maybe. This is Shack we are talking about so maybe not 
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:34 pm |
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