International politics (China, Russia, UK, etc.)
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Only problem with this vantage point is that it is not steeped in history. Throughout most of the history of Muslim rule via the Ottomons, the Moors, or even the various caliphates. They have been very religiously tolerant. It is only recently that they have been so anti-Jewish
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DP07
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Shack wrote: DP I think you chose this forum because you’re interested in the current political environment and if you choose to or get it together have an opportunity to post in a now rare environment in 2024 in that both lib and conservative opinions are allowed. As promised, I’ll elaborate a bit. My interest in politics is at most as a hobby, I don’t take it seriously. I take it even less seriously, and have less interest in it than movies, box office, or even sports. It just doesn’t matter to me, and honestly it doesn’t matter to any truly mature member of my species. My posts about issues you consider “political”, in this forum, such as climate or nuclear weapons are not intended politically, and are focused and centered entirely on realism. I’m not interested in mere perspectives or opinions. Even “expert opinions” have limited relevance to my species to be honest. My posts about socialism, the Gaza Campus protests, the end of Biden’s campaign, Trump’s court cases, and Trump’s attempted assassination, are because I consider those events, trends, and processes to be historically significant. It is a pivotal time in recent history (if not only history generally), and in part that is related to the fact that you moved my thread into the political forum the week of October 7, 2023. Also, there has been significant and increased systematic instability globally related to the pandemic, climate change, economics, and the relationships between them. Obviously, the last of the equilibriums to prioritize your interests and species over nature have failed and are gone. Any equilibrium that remains will only tolerate your species, civilization, and system as part of a cynical calculation. I do consider your morality as a threat, but that’s regardless of politics. To pretend it’s about politics is another cynical calculation. I understand now that other species of hominid have limited consciousness and conscience to their emotions, personality, relationships, and culture. Your morality and politics are inhuman to my species, abnormal, rare at maturity, and generally immature by comparison, minimal, limited, and unacceptable or insufficient. They are also only to be tolerated as part of a cynical calculation. I’ll repeat: politics is not permitted for serious issues of concern relevant to my species, or anything exclusive to my species.
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DP07
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Only problem with this vantage point is that it is not steeped in history. Throughout most of the history of Muslim rule via the Ottomons, the Moors, or even the various caliphates. They have been very religiously tolerant. It is only recently that they have been so anti-Jewish But they never went to war against a Jewish state, so I don’t even see how that’s relevant.
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DP07
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Algren wrote: One of the seven pillars of Islam is Struggle, meaning to confront the enemy of the faith of Islam. It's not peace (like other religions). It's essentially fight. So you can so easily understand how that can turn into hatred, instigation, etc. Jews want peace. Muslims want war. You can't go wrong with that point of view. Free lesson there for y'all. You're welcome.  If you think any religion is about peace, it’s entirely subjective. The only exception would be a religion that has no history of warfare, in which case, it’s own perspective of war and peace is completely subjective anyway. There’s nothing objectively good about “peace”. Just as there’s nothing objective about any Homo Sapien morality. It’s for absolutely nothing but self-interest of some sort or the other.
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Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:12 am |
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Algren
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I would say modern day Christianity is about peace. Buddhism is about peace. Many religions are about peace. That can't be said about Islam.
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DP07
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Modern day Christianity? Just proves you’re full of shit and nonsense. In a more secular civilization? That seeks to protect its interests with economic alliances, economic warfare, neo-colonialism, and economic colonialism rather than overt, explicit, and direct colonialism? That only acts this way because it expects to continue to benefit and profit from past colonial domination that it seeks to maintain (increasingly superficially and detached from reality) in practice, if not officially or by name. That offers and demonstrates no real accountability or responsibility for the past or present, or in any real sense because it doesn’t perceive or recognize the need or how that would be in its interests.
It’s only possible to believe it isn’t worse than fascism or your other enemies if one has extremely limited intelligence or maturity compared to, or by the standards of my new species. Absolutely no truly advanced intelligence, consciousness, conscience, civilization or species could respect it whatsoever.
It’s simple: you will comply or have no future whatsoever besides extinction for your aborted potential species.
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Shack
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Solid tweet by Kushner about bigger picture. Seems like Israel has to try to take out Iran's nuclear facilities now, this is their one chance after mostly defeating Hamas and series sweep of Hezbollah.
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Algren
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DP07 wrote: Modern day Christianity? Just proves you’re full of shit and nonsense. In a more secular civilization? That seeks to protect its interests with economic alliances, economic warfare, neo-colonialism, and economic colonialism rather than overt, explicit, and direct colonialism? That only acts this way because it expects to continue to benefit and profit from past colonial domination that it seeks to maintain (increasingly superficially and detached from reality) in practice, if not officially or by name. That offers and demonstrates no real accountability or responsibility for the past or present, or in any real sense because it doesn’t perceive or recognize the need or how that would be in its interests.
It’s only possible to believe it isn’t worse than fascism or your other enemies if one has extremely limited intelligence or maturity compared to, or by the standards of my new species. Absolutely no truly advanced intelligence, consciousness, conscience, civilization or species could respect it whatsoever.
It’s simple: you will comply or have no future whatsoever besides extinction for your aborted potential species. Check out this clown 
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DP07
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Algren wrote: DP07 wrote: Modern day Christianity? Just proves you’re full of shit and nonsense. In a more secular civilization? That seeks to protect its interests with economic alliances, economic warfare, neo-colonialism, and economic colonialism rather than overt, explicit, and direct colonialism? That only acts this way because it expects to continue to benefit and profit from past colonial domination that it seeks to maintain (increasingly superficially and detached from reality) in practice, if not officially or by name. That offers and demonstrates no real accountability or responsibility for the past or present, or in any real sense because it doesn’t perceive or recognize the need or how that would be in its interests.
It’s only possible to believe it isn’t worse than fascism or your other enemies if one has extremely limited intelligence or maturity compared to, or by the standards of my new species. Absolutely no truly advanced intelligence, consciousness, conscience, civilization or species could respect it whatsoever.
It’s simple: you will comply or have no future whatsoever besides extinction for your aborted potential species. Check out this clown  lol Your opinion is irrelevant and nothing but hypocritical projection. It’s not worth my time except to laugh back at you. Your morality is disgusting pathetic idiotic shit. You fail to take responsibility for it and admit that you’re wrong because you lack the maturity by comparison in every possible way, so you try to protect your fragile ego from your inferiority complex which includes the inferiority complex of your pathetic morality. Your only alibi is that your species permanently and definitively lacks the maturity necessary to avoid denial. For you to disagree is nothing but delusion of extremely limited relevance. Whether others agree with you is also of extremely limited relevance, and has no justification in reality; it’s based on nothing but self-interest or mutual self-interest, whether you are selfish for yourself personally, or your culture, economic interests, civilization, or species. I’ve spent enough time on this. Your hypocritical pathetic insults are not worth my time.
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DP07
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Your responses do nothing but double down on the bad assumptions, and limited perspective, intelligence, consciousness and conscience of your humanity and your species, and are essentially irrelevant once and after I’ve solved these issues.
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Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:34 pm |
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DP07
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It is in your humanity and human nature to expect respect for your insults because of some common humanity, common morality, “common sense”, or common logic or reason that does not exist (I’ll grant math because it is unambiguous, undeniable, undebatable, precise, and exact enough). All of your expectations in these arenas are not only flawed, but fundamentally wrong. It will not only be unreciprocated, it won’t even be reciprocated as you would expect from fellow human enemies. I have extremely limited interest in your perspective, or any perspective whatsoever of your species. If it is a threat or issue, it may need to be addressed, but again, probably not in the way you would expect. If others are not completely certain about whether they want, or could possibly share a future with my species, that may also be my responsibility, but my interest in the perspective of your species is limited to avoiding difficulties, problems, issues, and harm, if possible.
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Algren
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Didn't read a word. Keep typing into the void, you clown 
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Shack
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The eternal question, is he for real or is he messing with us.
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DP07
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Algren wrote: Didn't read a word. Keep typing into the void, you clown  Thanks for saving me the time. If, as far as you, your species, or parts of your species like you, are concerned, I’m talking into a “void” in terms of dialogue and any common humanity, that confirms what I’ve said, and is not unwelcome. I’m not interested in wasting my time; I can only repeat. We do not share human psychology between species, and any connection will increasingly diminish in time. So, there is no reason to spend effort where it is not productive. Your perspective and words have extremely limited to no relevance in reality, so, again I’m not interested in making an effort to communicate with you if unnecessary. You simply comment because you feel the need to assert yourself, regardless of relevance.
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DP07
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Shack wrote: The eternal question, is he for real or is he messing with us. I’m going to try to be very difficult to misunderstand or mistake when I say this: “Eternal questions” belong only to the ignorant, at least until death, or the end of the empires, civilizations, religions, or species that ask them. Your questions are only a question of your own perspective. I realize that you emotionally expect certain patterns of speech or behavior to be real or fiction, genuine or contrived. While these expectations are influenced by objective reality itself, they are also influenced by human perception, human interpretation of reality and of other beings, regardless of species, by human efforts to control their environments, interactions, and relationships, by human narratives, human interests, human self-fulfilling prophecies, human culture, and of course most fundamentally, human nature itself. My human nature is different than yours, and does and will only diverge further with time and maturity. Also, I have less need, with time, to maintain a pretense of agreeability; in other words, I always was different, but no longer have the same need to “fit in”. I can be honest in telling you that I’m as sincere as I can be, whether you want to believe me is not my choice. Is he real? I’ll say that he is not unreal. Such an “eternal question” could only apply to the immortal. Our different and divergent species do not share such a question, certainly not eternally. I will not answer your questions; I will answer my own. Your human expectations of what is supposed to be fictional or real are obviously flawed. For example, the recent pager and walkie talkie attacks on Hezbollah have been described as seemingly to be from a “James Bond Movie”. But actual intelligence agencies were convinced of it strategically in reality. Their real and practical concerns were prioritized over the observer’s sense of normalcy. The human mind may recognize or perceive patterns, or use induction, but that is not precise. I can only repeat that it is circular to expect your human assumptions to apply outside your experience.
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Algren
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The clown persists 
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DP07
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Algren
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Well, Zelensky must now be worried. He surely knows it's over. The US will withdraw aid (or a large proportion of it), Russia will not even need to have an agreement to keep what they have currently stolen, they will just keep it because Ukraine cannot defend it or get it back, and Russia could even take more, and probably will. It's a good time for dictators. This will encourage Xi on Taiwan and even possibly Kim on the South.
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Shack
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A half-there Biden escalating with Russia during his lame duck period is scary.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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I think it is a good idea as it forces Trump to not abandon Ukraine when he comes into office.
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Algren
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It is the absolute best time to "escalate" because Putin won't dare retaliate in any meaningful way because he will just wait it out for Trump to arrive. Not that this was an escalation anyway. Russia may label it that way but Russia already escalated a thousand times more by using North Korean troops. They already use North Korean and Iranian and Chinese weapons, so Ukraine using NATO weapons is not an escalation, it is a proportionate response. It's just late becaues NATO was worried for too long.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Very good point. In fact this whole damn war is a Russian escalation
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Shack
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The new defense against the dark arts teacher/UK prime minister seems terrible. Should their PM just be Tony Blair like when Brazil brought back their old guy.
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Algren
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Keir is a moron. But then none of the UK prime ministers are competent from a foreign policy standpoint.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Assad falls. Probably because Russia can’t support Syria anymore because they are getting their asses kicked in Ukraine
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