Except someone wasn’t going to use them; at any other time it wouldn’t have been during a major conflict. Testing is not the same thing as dropping them on cities. Anyway, the people killed isn’t even near the most significant problem with them.

That’s also just typical homo-sapien or human thinking, which all groups of human use; for the sake of self-interest and self-righteousness.

Nothing was going to work as far as concerns the long term. You’re just showing your extremely limited and shortsighted perspective. Making more and more bad decisions doesn’t ultimately make anything better. Anyway, you can debate about the scale of conflict, but that’s besides the point, and again, shortsighted.

Anyway, you guys are obviously too immature, emotionally fragile, and stupid (compared to my species) to realize or admit that it’s pointless and hopeless, so you continue to waste time and effort to try to rationalize and justify decisions that will ultimately only make it worse for you and all you want.

If someone was so certain to use them, the Cuban Missile Crisis should have ended differently.

Anyway, your human (or homo sapien) perspective and experience is irrelevant and a waste of time, I should avoid responding unless necessary or essential. You very obviously have no idea whatsoever what you’re talking about, and depend entirely on popularity, consensus, and expectations. You’re not at all, and will permanently remain, if another species, unqualified to have an adult conversation involving my species. The end of that.

I’ll reply regarding the history as related to other nuclear programs later, when I get a chance.

Btw, to be unambiguous, based on your posts in this thread. You have no right or ability to believe you deserve survival. It is wrong of you to deny that you deserve death, and war. It is completely baseless and pointless (although it may have been a moot point from the beginning anyway) your false gods cannot save you, and there is no possible way to disagree in reality or time. Your morality tells you what you want? So what? Like all human (or homo sapien) morality, it’s based on nothing but self-interest. Your only excuse is that you’re only human; but that’s the same excuse as your enemies. If it’s human nature to deny, then, it’s your waste.

I don’t seek that excuse though.

There is nothing whatsoever good about your morality. This is not opinion. If you disagree, it’s only out of self-interest, and your hope for reciprocation. But your posts here cannot be acceptable or tolerated. This is as kind as I expect any truly advanced intelligence to be on the matter.

My obligation is done here.

My obligation to myself, mine, and my species. Not to yours.

For yours perhaps, like any other species, or intelligence - in particular any that can use language - but not to yours.

I repeat one last time. Knowledge is not intelligence; knowledge is not innovation; knowledge is not invention; knowledge is not discovery; knowledge is not genius; knowledge is not deduction; knowledge is not a solution; knowledge is not creativity; knowledge is not intuition; knowledge is not an objective determination; knowledge is not a conclusion; knowledge is not analysis; knowledge is not understanding; knowledge is not a rational argument; knowledge is not an explanation; knowledge is not a coherent model or description; knowledge is not a plan; knowledge is not consciousness; knowledge is not conscience.

I don’t care what you know or think you know. That alone is not good enough. Knowledge is perhaps a form of information. Alone it is nothing more.

Which is why you must recognize that you have no other option or future whatsoever but unconditional surrender or extinction if you support those decisions. Roosevelt said Pearl Harbor would live in infamy. His own legacy must live in greater infamy with no alternative but unconditional surrender, or extinction. Any effort to remember history differently will be eliminated. Truth and reality will not tolerate your irrational and irresponsible legacy, and those decisions are not human, tolerable, or reconcilable with my species in whatever or any form we take in the future whatsoever.

Your “constitution”, “states”, “governments”, “laws”, “alliances” etc., are also unacceptable, and represent a threat to my species, and are required to comply completely with truth, reality, logic, and responsible decision making, or they will be terminated by whatever means necessary. Any complicity requires unconditional surrender with the only ultimate possible alternative being extinction. This of course includes the “United Nations”.

You okay, DP07? How you been?

Also, I don’t care; I really don’t care. If you don’t want the mercy of me or my new species, you will be left to the mercy of your other enemies. You cannot invalidate the emotions of my new species simply because they are different than yours, or because you don’t understand.

To be completely and totally honest, I feel better than I have since I was at least 12. No comparison whatsoever. You are obviously very bad at judging my emotional state, and by extension, the emotions of my new species.

I’ll elaborate later, including with a post about the history (and future) of nuclear weapons, but I’ll say this first.

Defending the legacy of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Harry Truman, Oppenheimer, or the Manhattan Project is prohibited. It will have no ultimate outcome better than the elimination of all hope and options, and if necessary, in the eventual failure at unconditional surrender, for complete and total extinction of your potential, associated, or future species. Continued efforts at resistance to this effect will only lead, at best, to systematic extermination by whatever means necessary besides nuclear.

American and western history is required to be taught with complete objectivity. History is required, at the minimum, to be treated strictly as science. No claims to the contrary are permitted. No claims besides the completely objective are permissible. When the time comes for history to be reanalyzed, and for historians to reevaluate their claims, it will be so. All other efforts, claims, hopes, opinions, options, beliefs, policies, politics, and morality to the contrary will be eliminated in time by whatever means necessary. Any threat or complicity associated with history, its legacy, and any precedent for the future, will be eliminated by whatever means necessary.

This absolutely includes complicit legacies like Obama’s. He openly spoke positively of Roosevelt. Trying to defend his legacy, or associated legacies like Biden’s will only lead to the same fate described above for the prior era, if not worse and far more severe consequences, if necessary.

You need to learn that posting in threads like this has more severe consequences than you could ever possibly anticipate, and that is even with me currently being extremely kind, gracious, and polite.

If you respond to me in such a serious context, I guarantee you that you completely fail to recognize how much danger you are in, or how much you depend on and need my tolerance and pity. Any other species but mine is completely powerless to change or do anything about it whatsoever.

Besides unconditional surrender, the only other possible or ultimate outcome is the complete and total destruction of the “USA” military, of all “NATO”, and all military forces of the United Nations, and all other allied forces of any sort or kind, including in space.

If you fail to unconditionally surrender, they will absolutely be destroyed completely and totally in time. By some enemy or another. This absolutely includes me or my species if you continue to interfere, obstruct, or threaten my species, we will ultimately completely and totally destroy all your militaries sooner rather than later. Unconditional surrender will not save you, and we will eventually completely and totally destroy all your militaries regardless, but unconditional surrender can reduce the destruction involved in the extinction of your potential, associated, or future species.

As you should have expected, any reply that fails to unconditionally surrender will be pathetically hypocritical. As your above reply was, and as all prior replies were, certainly since the thread in 2015 about the Islamic State and Paris that I referenced before (and in which you should have considered yourself warned). You can only double down on your bad assumptions and stupidity if you fail to accept responsibility or unconditionally surrender.

You have no right or ability to think or believe you deserve anything better than execution for what you said. There exists no right for anyone to defend it without expecting the same consequence. Your constitution is irrelevant, and complicity with it will offer no outcome better than death if you fail to accept responsibility as required. You have no future in which you will be protected or tolerated if you fail to accept responsibility or surrender (unconditionally).

This is the minimal consequence. Any effort to continue to defend the legacies of Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill, Oppenheimer, the manhattan project, or anyone else complicit, including Obama and Biden, will lead to escalating consequences at a minimum. Any effort to maintain nuclear weapons or use them for any continued strategic purpose whatsoever, or to fail to accept responsibility and to recognize that all past and prior motivations, goals, and strategic purposes involving nuclear weapons, were foolish, self-destructive, self-defeating, futile, pathetic, and as such, and given the definitive epitome of arrogance, narcissism, and hypocrisy they represent: intellectually, “morally”, strategically, philosophically, and as a representation of a civilization, species, or in your perception of “humanity”, will only possibly result in extinction at best for your potential, associated, or future species. Any delay or persistent or continued obstruction will only possibly result in escalating consequences at a minimum. At worst they can result in systematic extermination.

Regardless, your militaries will be completely and totally destroyed at some to be determined time. Unconditional surrender is not enough to ensure your survival, or to prevent extinction. Complete disbandment of all militaries, states, and institutions associated with the “United Nations” or its members (or repudiation of the “United Nations” and all it represents), is only a first and tentative step to permit the possibility of survival.

The “USA” Supreme Court’s decision to “provide immunity” to “presidential official acts” in Trump’s case, will be interpreted as complicity with the use, and objectives to use nuclear weapons for strategic purposes. This will not be tolerated whatsoever, and can only be rationally interpreted as an act of war; including a suicidal act of war against their own population and species. All court systems, legislative systems, and other agencies and offices of all states are required to comply with obligations to disavow nuclear weapons for any purpose, and to disarm and surrender unconditionally for all such weapons.

Failure to comply will result in forced compliance with truth, reality, logic, and the “laws” of nature. Any delay in compliance will only possibly result at best in escalating consequences, and the systematic elimination and termination of all intentions that tolerate, are complicit with, enable, or allow the continuity or survival of any nuclear related strategic purpose.

I don’t know how to get through to you to realize how completely and totally pathetically stupid you are. Your circular thinking, or the mutually assured stupidity of your “context” prevent you from being realistic about nuclear weapons. I don’t care to explain more than the absolute minimum necessary. I could leave you to delusion, and eliminate your ability to fail in compliance to disarm, dismantle, disavow nuclear weapons, their legacy, their continuity, and to unconditionally surrender and comply when time comes and is appropriate. That would be as soon as possible to the extent you realize that there is no rational, tenable, or survivable alternative. Any delay will have no outcome but regret, surrender, death, war, disaster, or destruction.

To express my contempt for your civilization and species, not so much Homo Sapien, but Homo Darwinian, or whatever potential future species intends, or would intend to use nuclear weapons for strategic purposes, I must say that your mutual belief in nuclear weapons seems no more rational or coherent than the “freak gasoline fight accident” in Zoolander to any truly mature member of my species. I shouldn’t have to say this, but it absolutely is not for any of your irrational morality or belief in “non-violence”. It’s entirely because your nuclear weapons and their legacy are obviously irrational and pathetic to my species, and any truly advanced intelligence. You might ask me if Oppenheimer seems more intelligent than the “Derek Zoolander” character? Perhaps, to a limited technical sense of intelligence in mathematical terms, for example. But in any more comprehensive sense of intelligence involving consciousness, or conscience(?)(;)(:), no absolutely not. The consciousness and conscience of Homo Sapien, and other potential future species of hominids are limited to emotions, personality, relationships, and culture. This is why your species practices religion and other irrational behaviors. They are either inhuman, abnormal, rare, immature, minimal, or serve other purposes for my species.

Regardless, I am aware that Homo Sapien, Homo Darwinian, and other lineages who’s future may not be precisely determinable and describable at this exact time; have a perspective based on which they deny any admission that their morality is wrong or based on absolutely nothing but human self-interest. Because you fail to take responsibility, you deny obvious truths and then seek to make your pathetic irresponsibly the responsibility of others. I don’t care, and if you fail to comply and continue to try to obstruct, I will punish you severely and relentlessly. Your most ridiculous and pathetic display is when you pretend that you’ve heard it all when you have an extremely limited understanding of things (compared to a true adult of my species), and then plead incredulity and sympathy for your nonsense. As if you deserve better, or as if it is realistic, or even possible for you to expect better. If you want to be my enemy, no other pretense will serve you well. I’m being honest, and will be to the extent it is realistic, pragmatic, and tenable to do so while avoiding unnecessary danger. Those who share a future with my species can decide in time, but don’t pretend to represent me or my species if you have hostile intent, or if you prioritize the interests and perspective of your own species.

I’ll try to be concise about this point: if you believe Roosevelt is any better, or isn’t worse than Hitler, you have no right or ability to believe you deserve to survive, and there is no right or ability for anyone to disagree or defend you whatsoever. Your only alibi is hopeless immaturity compared to my new species, or by the standards of my new species (whether you share a future with my new species or not).

You should be thankful (if wise and not foolish) to be allowed the option to admit you’re wrong about nuclear weapons and comply or surrender unconditionally. That should at least be potentially agreeable to your species and civilization, and less difficult to understand or accept than the alternatives I could offer.

Any thoughts on Winston Churchill?

Complicit. Arrogant and presumptuous about his Western, Christian perspective, of course, but it’s probably unavoidable for human nature. So from that British perspective it may feel justified rather than dangerously mistaken or flawed. I don’t think you have the ability to override your own self-interest, human-relationships, and your related experience and perspective. It doesn’t feel to be in your human nature, and the things you do and say, and my experience supports this.

But that’s a general statement for many leaders like him. As to him personally, I think he was simpleminded about things outside his knowledge or experience. His goal and priority was to win a war, and he wanted to inspire his own people to that end while not necessarily prioritizing honesty rather than his message. I think more than anything he felt his duty and responsibility was met if it enabled a future for his own people.

So again, complicit. But it’s a moot point, because it’s not realistic to expect anything else.

It should go without saying, and I shouldn’t have a reason to repeat: but you can’t necessarily compare free will between species, especially if they have differences in consciousness.

It’s A.I. I’m repeating because of the influence or manipulation of A.I.