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Caius
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 Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! Eagle wrote: Remember, if we never overturned the will of the people, slavery would still be part of the American dream. The majority of the people, via the Civil War and the 13th Amendment, outlawed slavery. There was nothing "overturned" if by that you mean a court decision. I like where the will of the people, the 14th Amendment, was overturned by a court in a case called Plessy v. Ferguson which enshrined "separate but equal" in the United States for nearly 60 years.
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Tyler
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! Caius wrote: Waker of Winds wrote: This is one of the few political debates in which there is a clear black and white. It doesn't matter what the law or the constitution or the Bible says: this goes beyond any legal or religious principle, it's about freedom and equality, and simple common sense and compassion. Was this cloying and self-congratulatory statement really necessary? Nobody here seems to think that gays should not be allowed to marry, the question is if it is Constitutionally permissible to not allow them to do so or whether a state, if it allows marriage, must provide it to homo and hetero couples on an equal basis. Is there a non-religious reason to oppose it, really?
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Barrabás
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! Caius wrote: Waker of Winds wrote: This is one of the few political debates in which there is a clear black and white. It doesn't matter what the law or the constitution or the Bible says: this goes beyond any legal or religious principle, it's about freedom and equality, and simple common sense and compassion. Was this cloying and self-congratulatory statement really necessary? Nobody here seems to think that gays should not be allowed to marry, the question is if it is Constitutionally permissible to not allow them to do so or whether a state, if it allows marriage, must provide it to homo and hetero couples on an equal basis. Cloying and self contratulatory? What has happened to people. Cut the cynicism for once.
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! Caius defending torture, should I pull those ones up?
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Caius
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! Tyler wrote: Caius defending torture, should I pull those ones up? If you want, but I have never denied supporting torture of enemy combatants caught on foreign soil or the fact that torturing people brings results.
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! Krem wrote: Groucho wrote: Krem wrote: Tyler wrote: God I hate libertarians. Yes, reasonable arguments can be soooooo infuriating! They sure can! Let me know if you ever have any! I love it how when confronted with their own arguments liberals get sarcastic. How about answering the question? Sure, I'll answer with another question. What the fuck does taxation have to do with this? _________________Buy my books! http://michaelaventrella.com
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! Caius wrote: Tyler wrote: Caius defending torture, should I pull those ones up? torturing people brings results. such as?
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! A: Where are the bombs?
B: In my pocket.
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Barrabás
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! Caius wrote: Tyler wrote: Caius defending torture, should I pull those ones up? If you want, but I have never denied supporting torture of enemy combatants caught on foreign soil or the fact that torturing people brings results. What a disgusting statement.
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! Would you not torture one person in order to save ten of your family members?
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! ^ Completely irrelevant. One is a personal situation where personal emotions intervene, whereas the other is an official army policy related to war...and none of the American soldiers have any family in danger, it's the Iraquis. They should be the one torturing the soldiers to know if they're going to bomb their village and label their dead children as "side effects" so the soldiers will later be given medals for "protecting America's freedom".
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Re: Proposition 8 Overturned! If it were irrelevant, I would not have asked.
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