The prosecution certainly won the closing arguments, but they certainly have the harder argument to win. Jury seems to be more in tuned with the prosecution as well and turned off by Todd Blanche’s aggressive demeanor. Will be interested in how this goes.

Guilty

Trump will just use this to his advantage. He'll become Martyr Trump.

The pool of people he is appealing to has changed. This works well in the primary, but not with the general electorate. The people who he will appeal to with the whole rigged shtick are already voting for him and jazzed up to do so.

Biden needs to focus on bringing home the progressive vote because right now the “Left” hates Biden more than Trump

The worry is that his criminal act isn't bad enough. It's money related. It's nothing truly shameful. And he's never been known as whiter than white in terms of his wealth anyway, so I don't think this ruling does much to hurt him. I hope I'm wrong.

So trump committed a crime by paying someone not to talk about how he slept with them cosensually? Because if people had known he slept with Stormy Daniel’s, they wouldn’t have voted for him?

Paying Stormy is not a crime, secretly spending money on a campaign kind of is but it's supposed to be a misdemeanour fine thing, plus it was expired the time they could charge it. So to somehow take those two things and turn it into a felony crime they had to claim he committed misdemeanour to help himself commit "other crime" which they claimed was trying to interfere with the election. This is all also based on the idea that paying Stormy to go away was all about the campaign when while it probably was, you could at least claim legally that there are personal reasons to pay someone to go away instead of talking about alleged affair.

Trump Guilty is a nice headline but it wouldn't be worth anything even if the charge was heavier (no one cares about Stormy anymore.) He will just drag out the appeal until January and then pardon himself. We needed a guilty verdict on the sedition and insurrection charges, but no way that happens before he is able to pardon himself,

I was kind of hoping he would be found innocent so the outrage would be in Biden favor.

But honestly, everyone knew this was coming, and it probably isn't going to be the last time.

The Bulwark seems to think an acquittal would have gone in his favor because it would have flagged this as nothing more than a political prosecution. I agree it would have been worse. For more level headed people, this had to be run by a jury picked in part by Trump’s own lawyers. A guilty verdict immediately makes it more legitimate even if the majority of people think he’s a martyr. Problem is those people who think he is martyr thought that before he trial and so nothing has changed there.

At the end of the day, in a country ruled by a system of laws, you can’t just ignore a crime even if it is politically convenient for you to do so. Trump’s a criminal, and anyone who has been following this dude going back to his Fair Housing Law violations back in the 80s and 90s should not be surprised. Someone finally had the balls to do something about it.

GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS!

He can't/couldn't.

It is in state law so he cannot. The Supreme Court have been very kind to Trump this past year, but they do not always unanimously rule in his favor. I think this is a bit of an overreaction from media pundits (particularly those on the left) after (rightful) outrage over the recent immunity case.

However, mark my words, if Trump is re-elected, Judge Aileen Cannon will be elected to the Supreme Court. My prediction is Trump has promised her a seat on the Supreme Court if she derails the classified documents case which is exactly what she is doing.

The Hunter Biden trial going on right after the Trump conviction has bold face shown persuadable voters that Biden really has no honest control over the DOJ and that the DOJ is truly independent which drastically undercuts the argument the whole thing is being orchestrated by the Biden administration. Any one who knows how the government works already knew that, but low information persuadable independents probably don’t and so this reinforces reality. This makes Trump’s conviction all the more legitimate and highlights how corrupt Trump and his talking points are.

Trump is a guy who wants to use the White House to make money and avoid accountability. He will sell out America if it meant he could make money. His son in law is making money building a monument that honors foreign militaries who killed American soldiers.

Sadly none of this matters and people will continue to ignore what is so painfully obvious because they are committed to the rabbit hole. And these are good people. I’ve broken a few people in my personal life out of the cult. I wish I could do more and I have a great fear for my country and for the free world as America. Our institutions saved us last time coupled with enough good people like Mike Pence. I’m not sure we can survive a second time.

Well Biden could just pardon Hunter before he leaves office, or they could be willing to sacrifice him. I also think you could argue it's Trump/MAGA that's driving them crazy enough to hijack democracy, once your remove that such as in situations like Hunter they may act more normal.

Biden already stated he will not Pardon his son. And to think a man would send his only living son to jail as a sacrifice is laughable. This is a great contrast to Trump who pardoned several of his criminal associates before he left office. It shows just how anti-corrupted Biden is.

I could come up with some logical reasons why the woke side are the "actual cult" but the thing that makes me the most sure is actually the same reason woke people think MAGA are, because they read someone and they think they sound crazy or have deranged energy. Except, someone has to be wrong. I interact with far leftists all the time on other sides and I can feel their ideological bent, the extreme behaviour of starting with the conclusion and searching for cherry picked evidence, the backup plans when they're losing an argument to try to find some sentence to create a separate distracting argument or put you on the defensive personally so you lose track of your original argument, etc., I've read sites like the ask Trump supporters subreddit where not one of the left wing poster is genuinely interested in having a question answered or learning more about the right, the questions are merely bad faith set ups to use the anti-Trump arguments target practice on. I've seen people who probably are not far leftists, but who's confidence challenging them seems shattered (this would be my theory why journalism is a joke now, they're kind of "mentally broken" by people only caring about whether you posted an opinion they already agreed with, not the quality of writing or research) It's a lot of small things like this that make me confident in my psychological analysis of the woke that they are acting in a cult like way. They have a combination of an ideology that is full of holes but for whatever reason obligation to defend it in diehard way, which means they have no other choice but to use emotional appeals, censorship, etc. over rational appeals.

I think part of what makes me confident is I actually had at least one foot in the left wing side in 2016, and when I look back it, having a timeline full of Hillary supporting leftists at that time, etc., I think I might have a grasp of what it looks like to see the Trump side from that POV, I remember the confused feeling of why MAGA is popular, it's like their appeal was a black box you couldn't see into. For me I feel like the left wing side was the one where everyone's energy was connected to what other people are saying. You can feel it when a phrase like "genocide" becomes popular for them, it's almost like it's a platitude that goes viral like a TikTok trend. I believe it has something to do with their natural collectivist views as socialist-minded people, plus social media's influence in modern day.

Now, there are tons of anti-Trump left wing people who are not woke, for example we haven't had at true blue woke member on here since Chippy left, but this forum is full of more normal left wingers. How they got involved is that the woke's entire mission is to influence the center leftist. The far left has no impact influencing conservatives since they are too different and hate each other. Where their power is in pushing the previous moderate left person more left. The moderate left person who's family, coworkers and facebook friends list is full of woke people they have relationships with and are desperate to appease, and who inherently understand the far left is useful to align with politically, that's who the emotional appeals work on and are really made for. The best analogy I've heard was by Shapiro actually (who I'm not normally a fan of), who said the center left is like a vegan animal activist's mom, they don't want to upset the vegan, so they cook vegan for the whole family, it's just easier to not cause drama and it makes more sense than cooking separate meals. This is the power the far left has over the more moderate left in that the moderate left doesn't want to break their relationships with them for personal and political reasons so they let themselves be dictated by them. The far left understands this relationship and then realizes the moderate left is being an easy mark and all they have to do is put pressure on them go more left and they will.

I think the woke cult as you put it can be summarized far easier by just saying it is people not wanting to offend anyone. The internet has made our opinions far more scrutinized and people genuinely don’t want to offend people so it has led the mainstream down this dead end where everything is subject to a purity test and then you are rewarded if you give a good opinion. Naturally there has been some push back and we are now where we are today.

Trump cultists think the sky is green.

Fox News is not covering the Hunter Biden trial it would seem. I just did a search and could barely be it seen being discussed. This is because it undercuts their bullshit argument that the DOJ is acting under Biden’s administration’s orders because they know if the truth sinks in that Trump is a criminal it will begin to unravel all the bullshit surrounding a guy built on fraud

Unsurprisingly Hunter Biden has been found guilty. As he should

Now investigate him for his foreign business deals instead of buying a gun while being
a crack addict

Judge Cannon had dismissed the classified documents case against Trump. I expect this to be appealed and now sets up grounds for her to be dismissed from the case