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| Author: | Mannyisthebest [ Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: occupy wall st |
That is true here as well, the downtown of the city of Toronto has been actually booming and its mostly due to a influx of young people downtown and professionals from other countries. Also the finance sector is growing very strong and powerful as well attracting a lot of other companies. Many office, condo, luxury hotels and many new museums and art galleries have been constructed or are under construction or proposed and it has been going since 2004 and it has not stooped. The thing in Canada, is that a lot of inner suburban areas and smaller towns used to rely on manufacturing jobs which have pretty much ceased to exist. These are the areas hurting badly here. Things are not going to get better for Obama. Many people do not know but the current unemployment rate is much lower then it actually is. Many able bodied people have just given up, even if jobs get created the unemployment could not move much or infact go higher. Another thing is corporate profits this quarter are the worst since the recession, so I am doubting the rate will go down much. If profits are down, then the chances that companies will start rehiring will go down even more. |
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| Author: | Caius [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:04 am ] |
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Does this movement still have strong support? |
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| Author: | Rev [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:02 am ] |
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From the right? No |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:34 am ] |
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After the chaos in Oakland, I'm kind of fearing a 1970s-Italy-style thing. But at the very least, the narrative has shifted leftwards for a while. The message does have resonance. |
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| Author: | Mannyisthebest [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:18 am ] |
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Message is good however the Protestors are had to sympathize with. Not enough normal people, I always laugh when those crazy rich white people who have money but pretend to act poor. |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:29 pm ] |
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The main problem with nascent movements is that most protesters are weird people. |
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| Author: | Mannyisthebest [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:52 am ] |
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Yeah when they show the protestors they show the crazy ones. The ones that are dancing (and in a really dumb way lol) or are saying really stupid things. Also it does not help seeing a bunch of people holding signs condemning capitalism while wearing nice clothes and drinking a $5 latte. |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:15 pm ] |
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They're not condemning capitalism! Geez. |
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| Author: | Caius [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:06 pm ] |
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Groucho wrote: They're not condemning capitalism! Geez. Fine, they just favor a form of capitalism where everyone is equal and we all have fully funded retirements and health care plans and college is free and property rights are hugely diminished. You know, all the normal hallmarks of a capitalistic economic system. The only pro-capitalistic principle I can think of that they espouse is a hatred for corporate bailouts (although individual bailouts, like debt relief for student loans, is perfectly fine). There are some good points, like Occupy Whitehorse, which is funny http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2011/11/08/north-occupy-whitehorse-winter.html and same with Occupy Denver's new leader http://gawker.com/5857715/pressured-to-name-leader-occupy-denver-elects-dog |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:53 am ] |
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Everyone is equal? That's bullshit and you know it. |
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| Author: | Mister Ecks [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:17 pm ] |
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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others |
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| Author: | Mannyisthebest [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:36 am ] |
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movement is really facing a ton of govt back lash in Canada. Many city govts see them as squatters rather then protestors. Many of the camp sites have seen assaults, violence, drug use and a lot of disturbing of the peace. Frankly the issue is not the message but a lot of the campers are really weird strange people. |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:03 pm ] |
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No organization either. But the movement has been a narrative-shifter, at least. |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:11 pm ] |
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Magnus wrote: Tyler wrote: No organization either. But the movement has been a narrative-shifter, at least. The narrative really has been focused on the police force against the movement than any actual conversation in what changes need to take place over the current system. No, that's just the news stream over the last two weeks. It's now a lot harder to justify and resonate with other people with talking points like "Pointing out we have income inequality on par with Ecuador is class warfare" or "If you're poor, it's your fault". And that's pretty major. |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:08 am ] |
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Duh. Where was the left before this though? |
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| Author: | Darth Indiana Bond [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:22 pm ] |
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Magnus has a point, but I'd argue that the left feels more moralized come next voting session if anything. |
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| Author: | Bradley Witherberry [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:07 pm ] |
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Tyler wrote: But the movement has been a narrative-shifter, at least. The use of the term "narrative shifter" is usually a strategy used to silence dissent in my experience. Anyways, Rolling Stone has quite a level-headed take on OWS in this week's article: How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love the OWS Protests. I encourage anyone sick of the partisan rhetoric to spend a couple minutes reading this fairly short article. |
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| Author: | Mannyisthebest [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: occupy wall st |
Problem is the OWS have set up these camp sites and they never do any protesting. These campsites attract people with problems (drugs and such) and frankly they are nothing more then squatters in most cities. I think that is why many cities have acted in such a heavy handed way. I think here in Canada, many cities are just waiting for winter. |
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| Author: | resident [ Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: occupy wall st |
Mannyisthebest wrote: Problem is the OWS have set up these camp sites and they never do any protesting. These campsites attract people with problems (drugs and such) and frankly they are nothing more then squatters in most cities. I think that is why many cities have acted in such a heavy handed way. I think here in Canada, many cities are just waiting for winter. I don't know about OWS, but OLA did not protest too much exactly to keep the movement peaceable while preventing retaliations by Los Angeles government. Instead, OLA held nightly General Assemblies while the encampments were all about maintaining a peaceable vigil. I don't think 'squatters' raise issues. |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:50 am ] |
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The whole UCDavis thing really was a boon for the movement. |
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| Author: | Mannyisthebest [ Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: occupy wall st |
^^^ well I am not sure about America. However I watch the mainstream media and it has not been mentioned for 2 weeks... |
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| Author: | Bradley Witherberry [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: occupy wall st |
Roger Ebert writes a thoughtful (as always) essay on OWS: Where I Stand on the Occupy Movement |
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