I cybered with bABA too.

And Loyal.

And roo.

Yeah..

OH! AND BOX!

I can show you proof!

Are people actually suggesting that Zep shouldnt have been banned? From reading his last few posts, he has violated alot of forum rules and rightfully so he should have been banned

Corpse, the situation was jujubee was discussed in the mod forums awhile back but its pretty hard to ban or warn someone if they no longer post in the forum. I cant get into specifics but disabling her PM box was discussed the next time it happens and the person who delivers her next PM will be warned and then banned the second time they do it.

I might also add that Zep was asking for a ban. He even dared us to ban him and then went off a troll spree .Im basing that on the last few posts he has made

I personally don't care if Jujubee was banned or not. It took time for me to decide if I should even report the PM because I really didn't care. But I finally decided to pretty much due to the very last line, not all the "die die die", but the "if you share this, I'll... blah whatever". Cyber Bullying at it's best, which I don't tolerate. Had very little, if anything, to do with the "die" things she said. And it had nothing to do with her. It was as I said, the Cyber Bullying, and the other part was to see if any action was going to be taken. I don't think she posted for weeks and weeks until she signed back in to say she couldnt take it anymore in the PM I sent you guys. I'm not calling on her to be banned, I have never called on anyone to be banned, and I'm not starting now, but what's to stop her now to suddenly snap or whatever again and decide to post another "die" message to me or someone else over something she has been reading here or what others may have told her? Disabling her PM box would just prevent her from sending whatever she's thinking through PM. Just my opinion, but she has already shown she will do it more than once since she did with me twice. The second time being when minneapple posted a message from her on the boards. What's stopping her from doing it herself again in the future, or having someone else do it? She can at least get one more in by having someone do it for her with what you said above Royd. If poster "A" posted/PMed a death message from her right now, they'd just get a warning. So she has one free way to do something like that to anyone right now.

I don't like to criticize, but I will question things. And there seems to be many back doors and more than second chances in this case.

I'll make my second to last post in this topic more clear. If she were to send a message through a second party, the person delivering the PM will get warned the first time and then banned the second time the carrier does it again.You also did the right thing by sending that PM to the admins because that goes under harrassment but also you shouldnt have posted that message in the public forum so just a heads up in the future you will get a warning or a banning depending on the severity of it. In no way Im going to block you from saying that jujubee sent you a threatening message but the full context of it shouldnt have been posted in the water cooler

Yeah, it's within someones right to control their specific private stuff. It's not an event that can possibly be viewed as applying or having an effect on everyone.

When I mentioned the one posted on the boards, I was refering to the second "death message" she had minneapple post. That being the second time jujubee had done the exact same thing just through a different person since she refuses to post while I'm alive. The second chance/one of the back doors I was talking about, and if she has done it twice already, what's stopping her from doing it again.

I know the consequences of what I do. I knew posting the first one in public was not best in regards to the rules here, of course I understood that. If I'd ever be warned or banned, I would know the reason and wouldn't question it.

hmm, I think it's still something to be considered since they might have the ability in the future to create a new attitude if they can work with the rules.

If you were referring to the said topic,we would have given you and mineapple a warning, disabled jujubees PM box, and then banned Korrgan again for the jujubitch remark. You for posting a full PM on a public board and mineapple for carrying jujubee's PM around. We didnt carry it out that day because of stuff with Korrgan being unbanned so soon etc but now you guys know. That goes for any of jujubee's friends who wants to be her future messenger

Im just comparing the situation here. Korrgan made a mean birthday thread targetted at jujubee right after making repeated remarks about jujubee and in the past week or so she has already been told to desist from a mod but refused to do so with remarks like jujubitch
Chip's remarks are mild in comparison but he knows his full limits

Corpse's behavior has changed markedly as of late, and not for the better. She may not even question me on it because I think she'll know what I'm getting at.

You could have given me a warning for posting the first jujubee "death message" for everyone to see silly. I wouldn't have cared since I know it's against the rules.

I'm not going to blame you for what I'm about to say, but there has been a pretty firm shift at KJ this year. Joe wasn't entirely incorrect in his "KJ Losing Focus" thread back who knows when. To me, I think it's because the forum seems a little more strict than it had been. It's very difficult to find a balance though. Temp bans rarely work because few will change what they did "wrong" to get that temp ban. Not giving a poster a temp ban can anger the members and cause much drama. And, besides the bots, etc. I don't think a user has ever been banned for good have they? It's especially difficult for a small site like WOKJ when all the members are aware of what is going on in public and everything, cliques formed, etc. No matter what decision is made, there's going to be some backlash, but which decision will cause the least trouble and be the overall best? Tough choice I must say.

Anyway, I have even began to post less here. Not because of any posters, I could care less about that, but mainly because it's become quite slow. There is very little discussion going on anymore, and most of it is when posters are fighting. And threads not being sticked, etc. along with some posts being overlooked. And little things like the site calculator not being updated since Oct. 25th. I have done best to try to fix these little things by stopping arguments, showing if I can do it anyone can, trying to see if I can talk to someone before they are instantly banned, offering to help with what I can when I can for the site, anything. I like a healthy efficent forum. But I can't do everything, especially when people say "If people want to leave, let them." Why have that attitude? Why not look for the problem and see if it can be resolved if it is indeed an issue. Because there really seems to be some sort of problem right now at KJ. Several have left, discussion is at a very low level in every forum, all sorts of problems I can see. But everyone seems to just be sitting back and not doing anything, besides focusing on all the fighting and throwing out warnings and bannings thinking it'll solve things. If anything it seems to be making things even worse.

I've spent more time at Rotten Tomatoes over the past few weeks than I have here at KJ. If I'm to be honest, it felt like I was giving up dial-up (KJ) for high-speed (RT). And one thing I really like about the RT forums is that the posters actually don't flip out, cause a scene, during arguments. Everyone acts so... mature. It sucks being a noob again , but the RT forum is very big, which you would think means more problems, etc, and while there are probably more fights by default, everyone involved handles it so well that it never causes anything to lose focus. I'm not really criticizing KJ, but it IS clear something is up with the direction the forum is going in. And it's as though nothing is being done about it. I've only visited the past few weeks to repond to PMs and to keep up with the BO games I'm currently in. And maybe a random post here or there. Try to see me for a moment as any regular member who believes there are problems going on right now. A concerned user if you will. Because after spending more and more time from KJ, I think it's becoming more clear there is some pretty big problem (or many small problems) happening here.

Then I should link you up to that Corpse thread that had the original PM. That probably wasnt a week but 2 weeks ago or something. You arent aware of the thread in the garbage forum , are you? It had jujubee as the wicked witch from Wizard of Oz

I know my limits!

Corpse, we didnt go ahead with that plan because it was already too soon to start another freaking drama again and more pain to the admin especially rebanning Korrgan again so soon. Everytime we go with our planned warning and banning, theres always going to be a bunch of nasty remarks directed at us. You can say that during that week the admin team ran out of some tylenol. Otherwise we would have went ahead with it but know you guys know so if anyone is going to post jujubee's PM depending on the severity of it, you will warned or possibly banned

The 'problem' is that people bicker, complain and fight with each other. Instead of looking inward, those people choose instead to look outward, blaming the administration for how the situation is handled. Walking around with a big sign that says 'I'M AN ANGEL' doesn't make you one.

The fact of the matter is, this place is what people make it, and the users here are hostile, mean, unforgiving and intimidating. It adds up to an environment that simply isn't fun for new users to come into, and isn't fun for old users to come back to.

This place SHOULD be somewhere where people who have known each other for nearly a decade could come, reminisce, catch up and discuss life, but it isn't. You talk about the size of RT like it's a good thing, but it's impersonal and cold. WoKJ (or any similar community) has the ability to really bring people close together, instead, the people here choose to push each other apart. Many of us have grown up together, and it shows, because we have all acted like immature children at times. If things continue as is, this place will be nothing like it is now, nothing like what it could have been, and people here have no one to blame but themselves.

How some users can go around acting so rude, mean and spiteful ... well, I just don't understand it.

Heres the situation, the mods have sent her some friendly warnings to Korrgan over the last few weeks but she still hasnt changed her behavior. You keep referring to Lecters' thread but you are totally unaware of the thread now in the garbage bin that Korrgan had started. Dont try to pass off Korrgan's treatment of jujubee as jest because you fully know too well both of them dislike each other

For this site to become a huge success like major movie sites, it takes people who actually want to help it succeed.

Obviously with a few of the users we have here, they don't want that.

I love having new people. We need a splurge of new users.

You dont want to become like rotten tomatoes. A forum where they had a Christopher Reeve flying off his wheel chair like ET when he died is not what we should act like. Thats the kind of mean spirited stuff they do