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 Re: No Black People Loyal wrote: A handy breakdown of Oscar nominated black actors/actresses and their roles (I can't believe i just researched and typed this all out):
Best Actor
1958 - Sidney Poitier - Prisoner
1963 - Sidney Poitier - Handyman
1970 - James Earl Jones - Boxer
1972 - Paul Winfield - Sharecropper
1986 - Dexter Gordon - Musician
1989 - Morgan Freeman - Chauffeur
1992 - Denzel Washington - Malcolm X
1993 - Laurence Fishburne - Ike Turner (Musician)
1994 - Morgan Freeman - Prisoner
1999 - Denzel Washington - Rubin Carter (Boxer)
2001 - Denzel Washington - Crooked Cop
2001 - Will Smith - Muhammad Ali (Boxer)
2004 - Jamie Foxx - Ray Charles (Musician)
2004 - Don Cheadle - Hotel Manager
2005 - Terrence Howard - Pimp/Drug Dealer
2006 - Forrest Whitaker - Idi Amin (Criminal)
2006 - Will Smith - Poor Person/Magical Negro
2009 - Morgan Freeman - Nelson Mandela
2012 - Denzel Washington - Drunkard/Heroic Pilot
2013 - Chiwetel Ejiofor - Slave
Almost exclusively poor people, musicians, athletes, and criminals.
Best Actress
1954 - Dorothy Dandridge - Carmen Jones (Singer)
1972 - Diana Ross - Billie Holiday (Singer)
1972 - Cicely Tyson - Sharecropper
1974 - Diahann Carroll - Poor Person
1985 - Whoopi Goldberg - Poor Person
1993 - Angela Bassett - Tina Turner (Singer)
2001 - Halle Berry - Poor Person
2009 - Gabourey Sidibe - Poor Person
2011 - Viola Davis - Maid
2012 - Quvenzhané Wallis - Poor Person
That's right, to get an Oscar nomination as a black women, you gotta either play someone who sings or is poor.
Best Supporting Actor
1969 - Rupert Crosse - Criminal
1981 - Howard Rollins - Musician
1982 - Louis Gossett Jr - Marine Sergeant
1984 - Adolph Caesar - Army Sergeant
1987 - Morgan Freeman - Pimp
1989 - Denzel Washington - Soldier
1992 - Jaye Davidson - Singer/Transsexual
1994 - Samuel L Jackson - Hitman
1996 - Cuba Gooding Jr. - Football Player (Athlete)
1999 - Michael Clarke Duncan - Prisoner
2003 - Djimon Hounsou - AIDS Patient/Magical Negro
2004 - Morgan Freeman - Former Boxer (Athlete)
2004 - Jamie Foxx - Cab Driver
2006 - Djimon Hounsou - Poor Person
2006 - Eddie Murphy - Singer
2013 - Barkhad Abdi - Criminal
Heroic military men aside, the usual assortment of athletes, musicians, and dangerous people.
Best Supporting Actress
1939 - Hattie McDaniel - Maid
1949 - Ethel Waters - Maid
1959 - Juanita Moore - Maid
1967 - Carol Channing - Singer
1967 - Beah Richards - Normal Person
1983 - Alfre Woodard - Poor Person
1985 - Margaret Avery - Singer
1985 - Oprah Winfrey - Poor Person
1990 - Whoopi Goldberg - Criminal/Medium
1996 - Marianne Jean-Baptiste - Normal Person
2002 - Queen Latifah - Singer/Corrupt Warden
2004 - Sophie Okonedo - Normal Person
2006 - Jennifer Hudson - Singer
2007 - Ruby Dee - Normal Person
2008 - Viola Davis - Poor Person
2008 - Taraji P. Henson - Poor Person/Magical Negro
2009 - Mo'Nique - Poor Person/Criminal
2011 - Octavia Spencer - Maid
2013 - Lupita Nyong'o - Slave
4 maids! Good post overall, albeit it stretches a bit at times. That being said I will never support affirmative action, but it still points to a Hollywood that likes to white wash. However, Magnus, as usual, makes the best point. When did blacks become the only racial minority group worth talking about? If any group should complain the most, it is Asians in American cinema. When was the last time an East Asian has been nominated for an Oscar? _________________
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Re: No Black People Well, foreigners always have to face the language obstacle, since films in their native languages are difficult get noticed by the academy outside the foreign language category. And when actors like Jet Li and Chow Yun Fat appear in English speaking films, in addition to the noticable accent, you can also tell it distracts from their performance. Of course, there are also stereotypes on casting Asian actors just for Kung-Fu or Chinatown/restaurant type of roles. And for the US born Asians, less percentage of them choose an acting career because parents don't normally encourage it, so there is a pipeline issue there.
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Algren
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Re: No Black People xiayun forgot to mention that Asian actors and actresses are just fucking awful. China, in particular. They have no acting skills whatsoever. The odds of finding a good one is 700,000,000-1. You do the math.  _________________STOP UIGHUR GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG
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Loyal
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Re: No Black People I know the list I created is reductive in a lot of ways but the idea that blacks only play servants and criminals and athletes and singers always seemed like more of a meme than fact. And then I did the research.   Looks at the Best Actress line up Cate Blanchett, Carol Brie Larson, Room Jennifer Lawrence, Joy Charlotte Rampling, 45 Years Saoirse Ronan, Brooklyn They all would fit under the "Normal Person" banner. Room aside, their lives are pretty fuckin' great in comparison to the leads from say, Monster's Ball, The Help, and Precious. Even Eilis in Brooklyn, her biggest issue in life is choosing between two handsome dudes and all the jobs being offered to her.
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Algren
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Re: No Black People Art imitates life. So what.
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Loyal
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Re: No Black People Algren wrote: Art imitates life. So what. Did you literally just suggest blacks can only play singers and athletes and criminals and poor people?
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: No Black People I can play that game too, Loyal. Loyal wrote:
Cate Blanchett, Carol - Social outcast
Brie Larson, Room - Sex slave
Jennifer Lawrence, Joy - Poor person
Saoirse Ronan, Brooklyn - Immigrant
In fact, Magnus has correctly mentioned that it is a shame all the complaints are focused on the blacks. Okay, maybe there are not plentiul of Asian American actors as xiayun has pointed out, but there are sure as hell many Hispanics. Where are the complaints there? _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Loyal
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Re: No Black People It's not really meant to be a game.  If people can't see the massive differences between the Oscar nominated roles for white people and black people, I'm not sure if they're being just willfully ignorant or something more terrible. An astronaut, a screenwriter, a frontiersman, a genius, and a tortured artist (2015's Best Actor lineup) vs some of the recent Black Best Actor nominees which included a pimp, a slave, and a warlord. PS Jennifer Lawrence isn't "poor" in Joy. She becomes a multimillionaire before the age of 40. She would qualify as a "normal person," wealth aside, as would Carol and Eilis in Brooklyn. Having martial issues or romantic entanglements certainly isn't the same level of stereotypical defining characteristics of the Black actresses on the list.
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Loyal
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Re: No Black People As to the question about other POC as it relates to the Oscars, the complaints are there. It's just that there's a larger national discussion at play as it relates specifically to blacks.
But that's a non-starter, the whole "well, why isn't _____ being yelled about too."
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Re: No Black People Joy starts out super-poor nd only becomes rich at the end. You had no problem putting down Will Smith in The Pursuit of Happyness as poor, though the character he plays also goes on to become rich and successful. I think we all do agree that the problem at hand is within the industry itself and the lack of prestige roles for ethnic minorities rather than within the Academy (which makes your Acdemy-purging idea silly). But having established that, I am not sure what else you are trying to prove and whether you are being delierately or accidentally stupid.  _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Loyal
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Re: No Black People Dr. Lecter wrote: Joy starts out super-poor nd only becomes rich at the end. You had no problem putting down Will Smith in The Pursuit of Happyness as poor, though the character he plays also goes on to become rich and successful. I think we all do agree that the problem at hand is within the industry itself and the lack of prestige roles for ethnic minorities rather than within the Academy (which makes your Acdemy-purging idea silly). But having established that, I am not sure what else you are trying to prove and whether you are being delierately or accidentally stupid. If it's between being that and accidentally racist, I'll take option A.  He was homeless, she had a job and house (though both were shitty). Maybe you have a different definition of "super-poor" in Germany. She lived like many normal lower middle-class people in America. And regardless, debating which rags to riches story was worse is pointless. You're going out of your way to highlight one role out of over fifty. That does nothing to disprove that blacks are at a disadvantage when it comes to the types of roles they play. You can't argue facts. Or rather, you can I guess but the implications aren't awesome.
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Re: No Black People I am not going out of my way to do anything. You pisted those five nominees and eclared them "Normal" people and I have shown how four of them can be construed as something different. And the developments of Lawrence and Smith in their movies are quite similar. Is it pointless? Yes. But you decided to call one normal and the other "poor person/magical negro".
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Re: No Black People Maids are not normal people.
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Re: No Black People Forrest Gump - retard Gilbert Grape - retard Charly - retard I am Sam - retard Sling Blade - retard Rain Man - retard My Left Foot - retard Shine - retard Isn't it racist that they always select white people to play retards?  _________________
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Re: No Black People Inside Out also got snubbed for having colored people...
But the thing people don't get is that the academy aren't purposefully racist, they are obnoxiously elitist. If Straight Outta Compton had made $100m less it probably would have been considered for the big categories. But since it ended up being a blockbuster, it just didn't fit the academies idea of a Best Picture winner.
The racism of the past still has an effect though. The academy loves awarding impersonations, and minorities weren't legally allowed to be significant before the 1960s.
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Re: No Black People Flava'd vs The World wrote: If Straight Outta Compton had made $100m less it probably would have been considered for the big categories. But since it ended up being a blockbuster, it just didn't fit the academies idea of a Best Picture winner. Because elitism is when you like something that is less successful.
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Algren
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Re: No Black People Loyal wrote: Algren wrote: Art imitates life. So what. Did you literally just suggest blacks can only play singers and athletes and criminals and poor people? No. But movies are not made about "normal" everyday boring lives. Extreme circumstances are worthy of film. Blacks do have a history of being music makers and athletes and slaves. Therefore, art imitates life. White people made discoveries in mathematics, science, medicine etc. Asian people are cooks and martial arts practitioners. Especially when a lot of Oscar films are about historical events or based on literature, you're always going to get these stereotypes. If black people suddenly did more than rap, eat KFC, and lounge around all day without a job in the ghetto, then I am sure they could achieve lots of great things that would be put to film. But they don't. _________________STOP UIGHUR GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG
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Re: No Black People Price wrote: Forrest Gump - retard Gilbert Grape - retard Charly - retard I am Sam - retard Sling Blade - retard Rain Man - retard My Left Foot - retard Shine - retard Isn't it racist that they always select white people to play retards? LOL
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Re: No Black People nghtvsn wrote: Price wrote: Forrest Gump - retard Gilbert Grape - retard Charly - retard I am Sam - retard Sling Blade - retard Rain Man - retard My Left Foot - retard Shine - retard Isn't it racist that they always select white people to play retards? LOL The only minority "retards" I can think of are Cuba Gooding Jr. in Radio and Michael Clarke Duncan in The Green Mile. EDIT: Oh and Ernie Hudson in The Hand That Rocks The Cradle. EDIT 2: I never read the book but as depicted on-screen, I always found Celie and Sofia in The Color Purple to be mentally challenged.
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Algren
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Re: No Black People This is going around in certain circles on social media. lol  _________________STOP UIGHUR GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG
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Re: No Black People Smith should have not turned down Django
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Re: No Black People Magnus wrote: Will Smith deserved an Oscar for Ali. It was just a tough year in 2001 with legendary (and overdue best actor) Denzel plus Crowe/Beautiful Mind. Yeah if Big Will takes it in 2002 then we have a world where Denzel has never won best actor. Then people cry racism when DDL beats him in 2013 for Lincoln. Denzel was better, in my opinion, and Will Smith has yet to have an oscar worthy leading role. His best chance is a supporting character in a David O Russel movie.
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Algren
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Re: No Black People Will Smith plays Will Smith in every movie that's not called Ali - don't know what happened to him with that film but he was pretty great. Though I'm glad he hasn't won an Oscar because he's not a great actor.
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: No Black People Haha, I completely forgot about that. Lee of all people, in a year, in which the controversy about the lack of black nominees reaches its peak. He'll have a field day during his speech. Or he'll just boykott.
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Algren
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Re: No Black People Yeah, his speech is going to be ridiculous.
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